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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1676103)

in the coming years unity in the ranks will be necessary for maximum gains and SKYW guys will be the big question mark, except for the numerous organizing committee members. But keep telling yourself it makes no diff.

Why would a SKW pilot applying for a job with an ALPA carrier be a question mark? Wouldn't that mean that they're willing to join the union and wouldn't that also mean that ALPA would be start receiving dues from someone who wasn't paying them before?

I get the union members stick together mentality but I don't understand why people would turn away applicants who want to join their pro-union company.

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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1676103)

Make sure you tell the Capt. on the interview panel that he has no say. All it takes is a down check and it's on to the next guy/gal. Plenty of applicants for every slot, in the coming years unity in the ranks will be necessary for maximum gains and SKYW guys will be the big question mark, except for the numerous organizing committee members. But keep telling yourself it makes no diff.

Skywest folks has and will continue to get hired at every Major/ Legacy carrier.

I'm to lazy to fill out the UAL app. Will ALPA do it for me if I show? Now that would be cool!

I've been saying this for years. ALPA carriers should only hire APLA pilots. This would also bring more groups to APLA. But with the new HR rules its hard now I guess, another boat APLA let sail.

It's definitely a step in the right direction, and I wish ALPA can keep it going with their other carriers, and maybe have non-ALPA carriers like AA and SWA hold open houses too.

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Originally Posted by XJT Pilot (Post 1676148)

I've been saying this for years. ALPA carriers should only hire APLA pilots. This would also bring more groups to APLA. But with the new HR rules its hard now I guess, another boat APLA let sail.

The issue is that management hires and fires not to mention controls the seniority lists.

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Originally Posted by Flycameron (Post 1676099)

Last I checked ALPA has no part of the hiring process. This is just a good way to get your foot in the door or introduced to someone at united but ultimately it's united that hires and not ALPA.

The EEOC may be another reason why. What should happen is that all hiring into the majors should be done through the regionals. To have allowed others to get a head start directly hired to mainline avoiding the low pay and less benefits at regionals has only helped perpetuate the food stamp welfare wages and whipsawing.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1676183)

The issue is that management hires and fires not to mention controls the seniority lists.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken your local MEC controls the seniority list, otherwise the company would do as they see fit, as if they don't already!

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Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1675613)

And alienating their largest feed provider, too. What's that going to accomplish?

Don't feel bad. It's not just their largest feeder (not that the UAL MEC cares about who management uses for feed), it also includes Horizon, Gojet, Silver, Great Lakes, Cape Air, Allegiant, Virgin America, and a multitude of second and third tier cargo airlines.

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Originally Posted by saxman66 (Post 1675713)

What about former ALPA members that got put on the street at an ALPA carrier? Does ALPA care about them still?

Yes, you are an inactive member and should be getting the ALPA furlough benefits (assuming you are still furloughed).

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1675804)

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Originally Posted by minimwage4

This is a step in the right direction but I'm a bit unclear in what this will accomplish? They're inviting us to a united pep rally??

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to make hiring decisions based on union status or activity. Most people think that protects union members but it also works the other way. So majors cannot make union membership or lack thereof a hiring criteria. So pep rally is the best they can do.

A flow through would be ok but then they lose their ability to be selective. A national seniority list would work too, but that's a pipe dream.

Where does Delta fall in on that? They are required to hire a certain percentage of ALPA pilots. Anyway, I don't think anyone is talking about hiring only union pilots. Because there will always be military pilots that they want to hire. Those would be the non-union pilots.

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Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1676082)

Republic, Eagle. PSA all have unions. How has that been beneficial to them? What regional carrier has a union that has been able to produce results in the form of compensation, benefits, duty time, trip rigs, days off, etc? This is not a rhetorical question. If there is such a union out there, then perhaps it should be the model for the regional airlines. ALPA certainly does not seem interested in looking out for the "little" guys.

Do you honestly think that Eagle, PSA, Mesa and republic would have been better of non-union and at the whim of their managements? This is what a lot of anti-union people miss. It's not just the gains. It also mitigating the loses when times are not good.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it could be any worse....management seemed to do mostly what they wanted even though a union was in place and when they couldn't they totally f@cked their pilots over. Where was the benefit?
My point, if I were to have one, is that ALPA is a Major airline union and I am curious if you were to ask the pilots who lost their pensions a few years ago how they felt about their union, what kind of response you'd get.
I am neither pro nor anti-union. I honestly do not believe the current representation at the majority of regionals (Compass seems solid) is funcitonal (has teeth).