Compass will be in Dallas"s Air Inc.
01-02-2007, 01:30 PM
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Compass will be in Dallas"s Air Inc.
I called Air Inc to day to ask if Compass was attending the Seminar in Dallas on the 27th of janurary and they said yes. Anyone held anything else as to the what how when??? I also heard that the pilots could be on the main line employee number but I don't think that means mainline seniority, but with all the up in airs I really wonder the reality of the whole thing.
Tailwinds..
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01-02-2007, 01:49 PM
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I thought Compass was going to be staffed by NWA Mainline pilots and Mesaba pilots. But I do know NWA mainline has pilots still on furlough.
Keep us posted, I'm curious what's up NWA's sleeve...and best of luck at the Seminar.
Keep us posted, I'm curious what's up NWA's sleeve...and best of luck at the Seminar.
01-02-2007, 04:57 PM
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Just curious, is there any Ill-will toward future Compass crews...a la Gojets? I know they are supposed to be staffed with furloughed NW pilots, but just curious what the general concensus is. And no I don't mean to put Compass on the same level as Gojets, not trying to inflame anyone here.
01-02-2007, 05:00 PM
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From what I hear, slots will first be offered to NWA furloughees. If there are slots after furloughees accept/decline, employees will be hired off the street. I've heard rumors that preferential hiring will be offered to former IDE pilots. Compass employees will not have mainline seniority numbers.
I will be seeing the DO of Compass, as well as several other Compass managers in two weekends... If I learn anything new, I'll be happy to share.
I will be seeing the DO of Compass, as well as several other Compass managers in two weekends... If I learn anything new, I'll be happy to share.
01-02-2007, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
Just curious, is there any Ill-will toward future Compass crews...a la Gojets? I know they are supposed to be staffed with furloughed NW pilots, but just curious what the general concensus is. And no I don't mean to put Compass on the same level as Gojets, not trying to inflame anyone here.
01-02-2007, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FliFast
I thought Compass was going to be staffed by NWA Mainline pilots and Mesaba pilots. But I do know NWA mainline has pilots still on furlough.
Keep us posted, I'm curious what's up NWA's sleeve...and best of luck at the Seminar.
Keep us posted, I'm curious what's up NWA's sleeve...and best of luck at the Seminar.
Mesaba is in no way shape or form tied to Compass...YET. You can imagine the rumors that are raging since the announcement that NWA is looking at "acquiring" Mesaba. Who knows, we could all be one big happy family someday.
According to today's NWA MEC hotline "about 600 Northwest pilots are on furlough." I would be surprised if any more than 10% of those choose a slot at Compass. Time will tell of course. Here's the payscale, happy job hunting.
"Furloughed pilots electing to fly at SJet will start out at Year 2 pay as a Captain, Year 4 pay as a First Officer, or their actual NWA Year of Service if less. 1% annual raises beginning 6/1/2008."
YEARS OF SERVICE CAPT FO
1 $60.41 23.18
2 $62.41 33.68
3 $64.53 35.83
4 $66.52 37.29
5 $68.55 38.25
6 $70.65 39.18
7 $72.66 40.07
8 $74.88 40.88
9 $77.41 41.06
10 $80.01 41.18
11 $82.45 41.18
12 $85.01 41.18
13 $87.58 41.18
14 $90.24 41.18
15 $92.78 41.18
16 $95.16 41.18
17 $97.45 41.18
18 $99.73 41.18
01-02-2007, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ85FO
Start out at Year 2 pay as a Captain, Year 4 pay as a First Officer, or their actual NWA Year of Service if less. (Wow, that is big of them!!, NOT!)
1% annual raises beginning 6/1/2008." (HAHAHA, that must be a joke)
YEARS OF SERVICE CAPT FO
1 $60.41 23.18
2 $62.41 33.68
3 $64.53 35.83
4 $66.52 37.29
5 $68.55 38.25
6 $70.65 39.18
7 $72.66 40.07
8 $74.88 40.88
9 $77.41 41.06
10 $80.01 41.18
11 $82.45 41.18
12 $85.01 41.18
13 $87.58 41.18
14 $90.24 41.18
15 $92.78 41.18
16 $95.16 41.18
17 $97.45 41.18
18 $99.73 41.18
1% annual raises beginning 6/1/2008." (HAHAHA, that must be a joke)
YEARS OF SERVICE CAPT FO
1 $60.41 23.18
2 $62.41 33.68
3 $64.53 35.83
4 $66.52 37.29
5 $68.55 38.25
6 $70.65 39.18
7 $72.66 40.07
8 $74.88 40.88
9 $77.41 41.06
10 $80.01 41.18
11 $82.45 41.18
12 $85.01 41.18
13 $87.58 41.18
14 $90.24 41.18
15 $92.78 41.18
16 $95.16 41.18
17 $97.45 41.18
18 $99.73 41.18
From what I hear, slots will first be offered to NWA furloughees. If there are slots after furloughees accept/decline, employees will be hired off the street
Oh, by the way, how many Northwest pilots are still on furlough? Didn't they offer recall to ALL their pilots. Gee, no one wants to come back! I wonder why!!!!!
Northwest.....um.......god help them. They really f*cked up with this whole compass thing!
01-02-2007, 06:21 PM
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[QUOTE=ryane946;98247]Are these pay rates for 90 seat jets?!?????? That pay scale looks less than Mesa for the CRJ-900. WTF?
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I think the EMB175's they have ordered have only 76 seats. I could be wrong.
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I think the EMB175's they have ordered have only 76 seats. I could be wrong.
01-02-2007, 06:59 PM
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do your homework first
Guys, learn the facts before you start spouting off about something you know little or nothing about. Ryane946 your ignorance and inexperience are showing.
1. Compass is limited to only 76 seat aircraft. And limited further by the number they may operate.
2. NWA still has several hundred furloughed pilots out and a couple of hundred still have not received recall letters.
3. Furloughed NWA pilots will have the First opportunity at jobs for Compass. Some of our pilots have been on the street for over five years.
I don't understand your statement that NWA pilots and ALPA really screwed up with Compass. The NWA scope clause is STILL more restrictive than UAL, DAL, AMR and USAIR. I don't see anywhere on this forum where anyone ever complains about the huge shift from mainline flying that occured with those carriers to their regionals. Also NWA ALPA had to negotiate over this obstacle after those same carriers had given up scope previously (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005....) setting an industry precedent that NWA management held in their favor during negotiations.
Not one single pilot on the NWA property ever wanted Compass. We did the best we could to restrict the size and number of small jets in the NWA system and provide pilot jobs for our furloughees. Your remark that ALPA screwed up by worring about their furloughees makes me furious. Thats what professional pilots do for eachother. Obviously number 946 on your list of 1000 things to learn about this industry and profession once (if) you make it out of the flight school CFII ranks.
Some of you on this forum seem to think NWA created the RJ/small jet scope problem facing the entire industry. Where does that come from? Where are you getting this info from. Northwest and Continental were the ONLY airlines still holding on at the time. In which legacy carrier's system did the first RJ appear?
1. Compass is limited to only 76 seat aircraft. And limited further by the number they may operate.
2. NWA still has several hundred furloughed pilots out and a couple of hundred still have not received recall letters.
3. Furloughed NWA pilots will have the First opportunity at jobs for Compass. Some of our pilots have been on the street for over five years.
I don't understand your statement that NWA pilots and ALPA really screwed up with Compass. The NWA scope clause is STILL more restrictive than UAL, DAL, AMR and USAIR. I don't see anywhere on this forum where anyone ever complains about the huge shift from mainline flying that occured with those carriers to their regionals. Also NWA ALPA had to negotiate over this obstacle after those same carriers had given up scope previously (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005....) setting an industry precedent that NWA management held in their favor during negotiations.
Not one single pilot on the NWA property ever wanted Compass. We did the best we could to restrict the size and number of small jets in the NWA system and provide pilot jobs for our furloughees. Your remark that ALPA screwed up by worring about their furloughees makes me furious. Thats what professional pilots do for eachother. Obviously number 946 on your list of 1000 things to learn about this industry and profession once (if) you make it out of the flight school CFII ranks.
Some of you on this forum seem to think NWA created the RJ/small jet scope problem facing the entire industry. Where does that come from? Where are you getting this info from. Northwest and Continental were the ONLY airlines still holding on at the time. In which legacy carrier's system did the first RJ appear?
01-02-2007, 07:19 PM
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SMALL JET (SJ) PARAMETERS OF THE NWA / ALPA RESTRUCTURING TENTATIVE AGREEMENT
Highlights of the SJ flying parameters.
1. SJ’s with a certificated seating capacity of 50 seats or less.
• Flown at feeder carriers.
• Unlimited number allowed.
• No limitations on use.
• No limitations on ownership, financing, control, etc.
• No special employment opportunities for furloughed NWA pilots except as provided for the Pinnacle Hiring LOA signed in 2002.
2. SJ’s configured with 51-76 seats not owned, leased, financed, or controlled by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers flying their own aircraft.
• No limitations on use.
• Must have a certificated seating capacity of 86 seats or less, with the exception that if the CRJ-900LR is operated the maximum seating certification level is 90 seats.
• Limited to 55 aircraft. This total includes the existing 35 Mesaba Avros, which these aircraft are intended to replace.
• The 55 limit may be exceeded on a 1:1 basis with the “entering into service” of a 77-110 seat configured SJ to be flown at NWA mainline. The pay rates and work rules for the 77-110 seat mainline SJ are covered later.
• Furloughed NWA pilots are entitled to 5 new hire jobs at the Feeder Carrier operating the aircraft.
• The Feeder Carrier’s furloughed pilots have first right to any jobs at their airline.
• The furloughed NWA pilots employed at the Feeder Carrier would work under the terms of that carrier’s pilot contract.
3. SJ’s configured with 51-76 seats which are owned, leased, or financed by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers.
• All parameters are the same as the previous section, and are included in the 55 aircraft limit, except the employment opportunities for furloughed NWA pilots.
• Furloughed NWA pilots would then be entitled to ½ of the Captain and ½ of the First Officer positions created to operate the aircraft provided by NWA. (Except at Mesaba, where there are already pilots operating 35 Avros, which will be replaced.)
• The furloughed NWA pilots employed at the Feeder Carrier would work under the terms of that carrier’s pilot contract.
4. SJ’s configured with 51-76 seats which are flown at a separate wholly owned subsidiary/affiliate of NWA (called “SJet” for now”).
• No limitations on use.
• Must have a certificated seating capacity of 86 seats or less, with the exception that if the CRJ-900LR is operated the maximum seating certification level is 90 seats.
• Limited to 90 total aircraft, which is inclusive of the 55 aircraft limit for the Feeder Carrier flying.
• The 90 aircraft limit may be exceeded on a 1:1 basis with the “entering into service” of a 77-110 seat configured SJ to be flown at NWA mainline.
• Furloughed NWA pilots have the first right to the jobs at “SJet”, but will be on a separate seniority list.
• There would be a “flow up / flow down” between pilots at “SJet” and NWA, including new hire pilots at SJet and NWA. The flow up / down would be subject to metering limitations.
• NWA would be allowed to sell “SJet” after 10 77-110 seat configured Small Jets “are in active service” at NWA mainline.
• If the successor owner of “SJet” does not comply with the Flow Up / Down provisions, the number of 51-76 seat SJs being flown by Feeder Carriers would be required to be reduced to a baseline of 55 aircraft.
• The pay rates and work rules for the “SJet” flying are covered later.
• Note: the trigger for NWA to outsource up to 90 76 seat configured aircraft is dependent upon maintaining the flow up/down process.
5. SJ’s configured with 77-110 seats (118 certificated) would be flown at NWA Mainline at the previously mentioned ratios.
• 1:1 ratio above 55 76 seat SJs operated by Feeder Carriers which are not subsidiaries of NWA.
• 1:1 ratio above 90 76 seat SJs operated by NWA subsidiary “SJet” and other Feeder Carriers.
• Pay rates and work rules for this group are included later and would not include any aircraft with a certified seating capacity greater than 118, or any series of an aircraft type already operated by NWA, such as the 318, B717, etc.
6. A mainline narrowbody fleet threshold (floor) would be established one year after emergence from bankruptcy.
Highlights of the SJ flying parameters.
1. SJ’s with a certificated seating capacity of 50 seats or less.
• Flown at feeder carriers.
• Unlimited number allowed.
• No limitations on use.
• No limitations on ownership, financing, control, etc.
• No special employment opportunities for furloughed NWA pilots except as provided for the Pinnacle Hiring LOA signed in 2002.
2. SJ’s configured with 51-76 seats not owned, leased, financed, or controlled by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers flying their own aircraft.
• No limitations on use.
• Must have a certificated seating capacity of 86 seats or less, with the exception that if the CRJ-900LR is operated the maximum seating certification level is 90 seats.
• Limited to 55 aircraft. This total includes the existing 35 Mesaba Avros, which these aircraft are intended to replace.
• The 55 limit may be exceeded on a 1:1 basis with the “entering into service” of a 77-110 seat configured SJ to be flown at NWA mainline. The pay rates and work rules for the 77-110 seat mainline SJ are covered later.
• Furloughed NWA pilots are entitled to 5 new hire jobs at the Feeder Carrier operating the aircraft.
• The Feeder Carrier’s furloughed pilots have first right to any jobs at their airline.
• The furloughed NWA pilots employed at the Feeder Carrier would work under the terms of that carrier’s pilot contract.
3. SJ’s configured with 51-76 seats which are owned, leased, or financed by NWA and operated at Feeder Carriers.
• All parameters are the same as the previous section, and are included in the 55 aircraft limit, except the employment opportunities for furloughed NWA pilots.
• Furloughed NWA pilots would then be entitled to ½ of the Captain and ½ of the First Officer positions created to operate the aircraft provided by NWA. (Except at Mesaba, where there are already pilots operating 35 Avros, which will be replaced.)
• The furloughed NWA pilots employed at the Feeder Carrier would work under the terms of that carrier’s pilot contract.
4. SJ’s configured with 51-76 seats which are flown at a separate wholly owned subsidiary/affiliate of NWA (called “SJet” for now”).
• No limitations on use.
• Must have a certificated seating capacity of 86 seats or less, with the exception that if the CRJ-900LR is operated the maximum seating certification level is 90 seats.
• Limited to 90 total aircraft, which is inclusive of the 55 aircraft limit for the Feeder Carrier flying.
• The 90 aircraft limit may be exceeded on a 1:1 basis with the “entering into service” of a 77-110 seat configured SJ to be flown at NWA mainline.
• Furloughed NWA pilots have the first right to the jobs at “SJet”, but will be on a separate seniority list.
• There would be a “flow up / flow down” between pilots at “SJet” and NWA, including new hire pilots at SJet and NWA. The flow up / down would be subject to metering limitations.
• NWA would be allowed to sell “SJet” after 10 77-110 seat configured Small Jets “are in active service” at NWA mainline.
• If the successor owner of “SJet” does not comply with the Flow Up / Down provisions, the number of 51-76 seat SJs being flown by Feeder Carriers would be required to be reduced to a baseline of 55 aircraft.
• The pay rates and work rules for the “SJet” flying are covered later.
• Note: the trigger for NWA to outsource up to 90 76 seat configured aircraft is dependent upon maintaining the flow up/down process.
5. SJ’s configured with 77-110 seats (118 certificated) would be flown at NWA Mainline at the previously mentioned ratios.
• 1:1 ratio above 55 76 seat SJs operated by Feeder Carriers which are not subsidiaries of NWA.
• 1:1 ratio above 90 76 seat SJs operated by NWA subsidiary “SJet” and other Feeder Carriers.
• Pay rates and work rules for this group are included later and would not include any aircraft with a certified seating capacity greater than 118, or any series of an aircraft type already operated by NWA, such as the 318, B717, etc.
6. A mainline narrowbody fleet threshold (floor) would be established one year after emergence from bankruptcy.
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