View Poll Results: Should Regional Airlines Flatten Pay Scales
Yes, and I am a Regional Airline Captain
10
6.02%
Yes, and I am a Regional Airline First Officer
39
23.49%
Yes, and I am a Prospective Regional Airline Pilot
7
4.22%
Yes, and I am a Major Airline Pilot
11
6.63%
Yes, and I am a Non Airline Pro Pilot
6
3.61%
No, and I am a Regional Airline Captain
29
17.47%
No, and I am a Regional Airline First Officer
36
21.69%
No, and I am a Prospective Regional Airline Pilot
1
0.60%
No, and I am a Major Airline Pilot
22
13.25%
No, and I am a Non Airline Pro Pilot
5
3.01%
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Should Regional Airlines Flatten Pay Scales
09-02-2014, 08:33 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
How many people jumped the flow? EC was the only one, but he had someone in HR overlook he was an XJ pilot. All of the former employees/interns/FTIs of NWA, including myself, who had guaranteed interviews, were shot down due to the flow. NWA did not want to take any more than they absolutely had to from XJ, and it had always been that way.
Originally Posted by Mesabah
You know, there were a lot of guys who had their NWA interviews canceled due to the flow at XJ, you know, so they could hand you your job communist style.
09-03-2014, 04:40 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
Forget about Capt/FO pay. Explain why any FA should be paid more then any pilots. No FO at regionals should be getting less pay then the highest paid FA at a mainline.
09-03-2014, 04:49 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by toomanyrjs
Uh, technically, an RJ pilot job is a lesser job than any mainline job.
09-03-2014, 04:52 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Simples, cencal, don't show up for your next trip, submit a resignation. I don't think you're a socialist, just not a realist. The Company and ALPA realized they could get F/Os to fly for a deep discount compared to the majors, you and thousands of others said, "ok, for a chance at T7 major captain, I accept these wages". Stop accepting, game over.
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09-03-2014, 04:56 PM
#86
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Your FO pay rates are very close to Compass FO pay rates. I don't hear anyone at Compass complaining about it. I think your complaint is that you are stuck in the right seat. If there were 2-3 year upgrades happening at Endeavor that I doubt anyone would be complaining about FO pay. It's always been a seniority based system. There is no precedent to retool pay scales based upon time to upgrade. If someone wants to be a regional lifer than that is their prerogative. No one owes you their left seat. Are you really mad about the pay or the fact that you can't get into the right seat? I doubt you would be complaining about FO pay if you were a Captain.
Hopefully the future will be brighter for all.
09-03-2014, 05:34 PM
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Nantonakj,
You have reached a basic understanding of economics, congrats. Twenty, heck ten, years ago there was barely a fraction of the outsourcing that is standard now. It exists for one simple reason, the airlines realized they could get all the aspiring pilots they wanted at half the price of a mainline DC-9 crew that was flying those routes. You and thousands of others thought this was the shortcut to fame, killing the deal for everyone.
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You have reached a basic understanding of economics, congrats. Twenty, heck ten, years ago there was barely a fraction of the outsourcing that is standard now. It exists for one simple reason, the airlines realized they could get all the aspiring pilots they wanted at half the price of a mainline DC-9 crew that was flying those routes. You and thousands of others thought this was the shortcut to fame, killing the deal for everyone.
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09-03-2014, 06:25 PM
#88
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
I think you meant left seat :P
But no, I'm not mad about not getting into the seat. There were a lot of closed door discussions and one Bloch award, coupled with a bankruptcy, that made left seat 9E an impossible venture. My buddies who are protected on the 900, and are senior, can get CA at a more junior number than I can, waiting for a 200 slot, since that's all I can get.
Was Compass designed with moving on in mind? Tha could explain the short upgrade. For a year, you could retire very richly here at Endeavor. Only when our pay got slashed in the fire sale did the top start gradually moving. Not all of them have finished their AirlineApps DAL app yet either.
The problem with regional lifers is they kill their companies with their extremely top heavy pay. Furloughing / losing planes doesn't help... It only gets rid of the guy making $25-$39 per hour...
I guess it doesn't really matter any more though, Endeavor's fate is sealed.
What happened to all this talk of CAs having more skin in the game? Seems like the fact that CAs are sitting right seat making $39 an hour wasn't lost on you...
But no, I'm not mad about not getting into the seat. There were a lot of closed door discussions and one Bloch award, coupled with a bankruptcy, that made left seat 9E an impossible venture. My buddies who are protected on the 900, and are senior, can get CA at a more junior number than I can, waiting for a 200 slot, since that's all I can get.
Was Compass designed with moving on in mind? Tha could explain the short upgrade. For a year, you could retire very richly here at Endeavor. Only when our pay got slashed in the fire sale did the top start gradually moving. Not all of them have finished their AirlineApps DAL app yet either.
The problem with regional lifers is they kill their companies with their extremely top heavy pay. Furloughing / losing planes doesn't help... It only gets rid of the guy making $25-$39 per hour...
I guess it doesn't really matter any more though, Endeavor's fate is sealed.
What happened to all this talk of CAs having more skin in the game? Seems like the fact that CAs are sitting right seat making $39 an hour wasn't lost on you...
Either you really are management or you bought into their BS hook, line, and sinker. Regional "lifers" aren't killing their companies with "extremely top heavy pay". The only truly "extremely top heavy pay" at the regionals is the management group. I would agree that pay needs to come up across the board for all regional pilots, and the best possible way to accomplish that would be to vote down any concessions, and for new hires to stop showing up at the lowest paid and worst regionals(a good starting point would be those owned by JO and Hulas).
09-15-2014, 09:49 AM
#89
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Having a job at NWA/DAL because you worked at XJ is the very definition of entitlement.
Your posts on the other hand reek of entitlement. You are labeling any regional CA for more than 5 years as a lifer and loser. In another thread, you wrote that you did not apply to Frontier. So now a regional CA who also does not apply to Frontier/Jetblue/Virgin/Spirit and only wants to wait for United/Delta/American (and since they haven't hired a lot recently) is now a lifer loser? You sound PO'ed because they are holding "your" left seat. Anyway you're at Jetblue now so this shouldn't really make a difference.
09-15-2014, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by thevagabond
I came from a long stretch in the Part 135 world. You wouldn't have and never will hear me complain about pay and benefits I agreed to work for. It is dues paying for the vast majority such as yourself. As for those furloughed from other airlines, I agree, they've paid their dues and deserve a spot above you on the F.O. list.
I come from 4 "closed shop" airlines, plus hired at an additional 2 who then stopped hiring (one I had a class date with, the other, a legacy , instituted a hiring freeze after getting to swim in it's pool,.. we'll call ya with the reinterview date).
Would love to see some mechanism to compensate for a previous airline, but the question is as to how?
Would it involve hiring favoritism? A higher senority number? Same senority but more pay? (good luck with that). Then of course, the age old issue of those who watch this unfold having kittens as someone moves in ahead of them on either the list or pay scale. Yeah, it would be a job with better pay, but then a lifetime of dealing with the ensuing animosity.
Unless it was institutionalised across the board, I don't see it happening. Pilots are in general too short sighted to think that they will ever someday be in the same position. (By the time it happens to them personally it is too late and the cycle continues...for at least as long as airlines in their current structure continue, but that's another thought stream)
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