Regional Pilot Pay Today on NPR
 

Don't waste your time listening to the archived program. Same ol' same ol'.

Yawn

Describing NPR as a bunch of morons would be an insult to stupidity...

Even bigger <yawn>

Nobody but the most ignorant of Fox News hounds could actually hold that opinion.

No kidding. How does a (hopefully if they're flying airplanes) rational person even come to that conclusion?

Mod note:

OK - we'll try it with this thread.
Feel free to discuss the issue presented in the OP.
If the thread degrades into a pseudo-political bashing based on whatever media source one chooses then we can just close the thread now.

Al Jazeera all the way!

Regional Pilot Pay Today on NPR
 

What they didn't mention was that the pilots at the regionals are making abysmal pay and the concession managements are looking for. Now if they mentioned that, it would have gotten the work out. But many media outlets are unaware to our struggles...


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And you're making peanuts in training

I would be happy for peanuts, they are just throwing empty shells now. But better than being unemployed


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Reminds me of that Texas place where you throw peanut shells on the floor. That was a treat walking in with sandals.

Texas Roadhouse!

This.

I was yelling at my car radio as I was driving down the road today. They didn't even mention poor pilot compensation and mainline whipsaw as a reason for regional airlines feeling the squeeze.

NPR totally missed the mark. This superficial-level journalism is more suited to USA Today.

Don't you have a law blog to write? ;)

And to lob law bombs


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Unfortunately, even if they did discuss would the general public care? Nope. Even the fastfood workers manage to get national recognition to their ridiculous idea of a pay raise last week.

You will never see enough pilots complain about low starting wages. Too many guys/gals enjoy what they are doing. Pilots are their own worse enemy. How does this group expect to get the public on its side when you have people complain and then half of the pilots call it, "paying your dues" or retort with some statement about how they manage to make 1st year pay work by manipulating the system... Joe public thinks it can't be all that bad being a pilot if people keep showing up for work<sarcasm>.

"Lots of buttons...Lots of lights"

They also did not mention how regional pilots are voting in concessions, and evidently don't want or need anything more.

Or how you have to save up to afford to take a job? How does that make sense?

Just because reporting isn't in line with union rhetoric doesn't mean it's incorrect or superficial. There are politics to be played on both sides of this game, don't believe anything you hear.

It's our responsibility as stewards of this profession to think critically and evaluate each situation from all viewpoints, ideally without emotional investment. Only then can we form a rational and informed opinion.

This was in NY Time Business News
 

Sorry guys...this isn't just NPR.

The original stock market insight article upon which this was based actually was looking at the contracts that legacy have negotiated with FFD and the fact that FFD are not making the kind of profits (one FFD with as little as $23M in profit this) compared to many times that they made 10-15 years ago because of the Legacy squeeze on FFD in these contracts. The original article DID talk about the only place for FFD management to find savings was in squeezing labor. And frankly, if you listen to this clip, while it didn't talk about all of the costs and low wages, it did highlight that the FFD is primed to change.

Guys ... this really represents more the threat to FFD management than to us... and the stock rating article really highlighted that element. And if I were management (I'm not) at a FFD, I wouldn't want to be such management because they are not able to turn the profits (applies mostly to non-legacy owned regionals but the economics are the same and just not independently financed and reported) that investors (including the AAGs and DLs) are going to expect. And the original article discussed the cause for this being really the negotiated contracts with Legacy...not wages.

We're already seeing that in DL stating it taking back flying to Legacy. If you look at the DOT stats, aggregate regional flying is shrinking while legacy and LCC flying is growing. You can be angry or you can see this for what it is. Legacy's are NOT making the kind of money on the FFD model that they did 10-15 years ago and the model is already in the process of changing. The managements at FFD will continue to try to squeeze labor ... but there ARE fewer new start pilots actually pursuing this career due to CURRENT graduates pay expectations, cost of flight education, and frankly, more competitive pay both within this profession (corp/international) and especially outside this profession.

This is going to be a hard and challenging time for especially higher paid regional pilots as managements continue to try to depress wages. Many of my friends are moving as quickly as possible to LCC's and many are moving to Legacy carriers. I regret seeing what is happening at my airline...but you can respond or...

Folks, we're pilots! We plan, we have an out, we have contingencies. If you don't update and execute those plans, you crash. Now is the time to be working at alternates...knowing the destination may not be what you thought it was...and the landing might not be pretty ... but it's better than not adjusting your plan and ending up a "career accident". (and yes, I know some of those routes are not pretty and we deserve more...but sometime the weather turns to !@#t and you have a mechanical at the same time).

Plan, execute, re-plan, select your alternate, execute ... repeat as necessary!

I'm a re-entry to the industry...thought AE now Envoy would be a great place to take off out of Bankruptcy...bad times behind. I had a strategy. Couldn't predict the future we're seeming to become...but it doesn't mean I let go of the controls and watch the collision... "don't be the bunny" (try googling that)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgH0fOcp3T8

Fly safe! Career Safe!

Yeah, go figure... People usually save up for when they go on vacation and do not want to work. Pilots have to save up to go to work. hahaha...