ASA Flight Time
 

I was reading on ASA's website. It said they are hiring with 800/50. Thats amazing. I used to be a Ramp Agent for ASA and wouldlove to work there. I currently have 530/50. But I want to flight instruct just because I like to teach.

Can youflight instruct as well as fly for a Regional? Or does the company prefer you not do that?

Flight instructing counts toward your commercial time for the year. Some airlines will allow you to instruct but others will not, just ask them. YOU MUST BE CAREFUL, if the airline permits it (like SKW) you will have to seek permission. They will make it clear to you, that if it causes problems with your airline schedule you WILL BE IN DEEP $HIT.

Most 121 pilots that still flight instruct (that I know personally) do not log the time as duel given. Shady, but beware, this could jump up and bite you in the A$$.

Look at it this way. If you instruct only 10 hours a month, on average, that’s 120 hours a year. That reduces the number of hours you can fly for a 121 operator to 880 hours per year, and a 135 operater to 1080 (1200 hour year for Part 135). BEWARE, when they employ you they EXPECT to be able to use all 1000 hours if need be!!!!

Ok, I see. I didnt realize that you can only fly 1000 hours a year. I see.

ASA will not let you fly any other commercial operations. This includes flight instructing.

I heard that if you don't get paid for the flight instructing then it does not count as "commercial" time.

This is true, I assumed he wanted to get paid.

if you are exercising the privileges of a commercial certificate (which when your are instructing you by default have to be doing) then it is commercial flying.

and even if you don't log it (which is bad) there is someone else that will (the student, whose logbook you endorsed).

in general, if you fly for an airline, you give up the CFI gig. the only way to instruct and also fly a jet for someone and not have to worry about flight time limits is part 91.(Fractionals and corporate ops)

this 1000 hrs. If I fly a Baron or 172? does it take away from it ? I thought you could only fly a max of 100 per/mo also?

I think it depends on what kind of flying that is. I believe if you just go up and joyride on the weekends under 91, that wouldn't count towards the 1000 hours.

Yea, you can do as much personal GA flying as you want. This also includes Civil Air Patrol, Angel Flights, etc. The only area where there's some conflict of opinion is unpaid volunteer flight instruction. Some here say it's ok, some say it's not.

There are some folks who think that if you CFI for no charge, that you are still recieving compensation in the form of "loggable flight time".

The question is does that loggable time have any value? I hold that I have all the CE-172 PIC that I will ever need in my career, and the incremental value to me of any additional CE-172 time is zero.

I also limit my CFI activities to close friends and family. If you hang out at the FBO and offer free flight instruction to all comers, that could reasonably be construed as seeking out flight time as a form of compensation.

If you seriously considering this, call alpa or aopa legal and get their take.

Those "some folks" include the FAA. ;)

They also have viewed "compensation" as just doing someone a "favor".

This stuff isn't hard. If you have to invent ways to log something it probably isn't kosher.

Well, even if I do become an airline pilot, I still plan to fly for Civil Air Patrol. I have been a CAP pilot for 4 years and enjoy it. I plan on being a Search and Rescue pilot for CAP and a check pilot. I also plan to give the cadets orientation flights and do a little flight instructing for them.

I assume many of you guys arent familiar with CAP, but there a lot of current airline pilots in CAP that volunteer hours of flight instruction all the time. Its a non issue.

Nice to see a fellow CAP geek. I soloed with CAP and one of my first instructors there was (and still is) a 777 FO at CAL. He said there was no conflict.

There isnt. Many airline pilots fly with CAP

I was thinking about time building and gaining more experience through Civil Air Patrol. Can anybody please share there experiences with CAP? Is it a worthwhile venture?

You won't fly much unless the unit you are in has an airplane. Most of the time those units have people who have been around for awhile in them. I would go somewhere else if I were you. Any flight time you get in CAP won't be much.

how do you actually get in CAP?

You find a Squadorn located near you.

But understand CAP is NOT a place to go to build flight time. CAP is made up of aviation enthusists. These are older guys thathave been flying for 40 years and like it or GA pilots that like to bore holes inthe sky. CAP is not the place for timebuilders or future airline pilots. You cant just get a CAP plane and take it for any reason. Its not a flying club. Youhave to be on a mission or doing a cadet orientation ride.

I couldn't tell if you knew by your original post, but ASA's minimums are now 500/50...and I've heard they've hired folks with less than that.

Maybe that's what you meant...

I can tell you right now that they are firm on the 500/50. Unless you have jet transition training, then you can get away with 400/50. They called me this morning. I have 440 TT and 101ME, and am employed flying 135 charters in a King Air and even though they need pilots, they still said jsut call them when I get to 500 and they will set up an interview. So they seem pretty set on those times. I just think its strange that i have double the multi time, 75 of which is ME turbine and yet they still are hard on the 500. Oh well. Hope this helps answer your question.

I'm gonna bet insurance is driving that. Just like ARG/US for 135 operators, you can't stretch those numbers.