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Fecking EJet 10-03-2014 03:26 PM

Non-rev benefits UAL vs DAL vs AAG
 
At my current regional we get United travel benefits. Basically we get:

- Unlimited domestic coach and international free of charge (pay taxes on international flights).
- Unlimited domestic first for $12.50 per leg (nearly impossible to get).
- Unlimited international first or business ($90 - $150 plus taxes depending on destination and travel class).
- Discounted confirmed tickets via MyUADiscount
- No buddy passes
- Spouse/domestic partner, parents, one enrolled friend or two if no spouse/partner.

How does this compare to Delta and American at other regionals?

rcfd13 10-03-2014 05:48 PM

Delta and American blow United away. Delta has free first class (international too) and three SA2 seats per year for better priority. Delta also actually has open seats unlike united. American still gives people first class domestic. United and Delta will not give a non-rev first class domestic. All medallions are upgraded first.

United also gives their own employees vacation passes so they can bump you on your own metal. They're basically unlimited. I've had a United pilots grandma, wife and 4 kids bump me off of my own companies flight with ONE vacation pass when I was in uniform commuting to work. Delta and AA have much better priority systems for standby travel.

After having used all three and having been a commuter for 3 years I can rant about how bad United is compared to DL and AA for hours.

air101 10-03-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rcfd13 (Post 1739694)
Delta and American blow United away. Delta has free first class (international too) and three SA2 seats per year for better priority. Delta also actually has open seats unlike united. American still gives people first class domestic. United and Delta will not give a non-rev first class domestic. All medallions are upgraded first.

United also gives their own employees vacation passes so they can bump you on your own metal. They're basically unlimited. I've had a United pilots grandma, wife and 4 kids bump me off of my own companies flight with ONE vacation pass when I was in uniform commuting to work. Delta and AA have much better priority systems for standby travel.

After having used all three and having been a commuter for 3 years I can rant about how bad United is compared to DL and AA for hours.

DL and AA will clear a non-rev in first/business as long as their is an open seat after all upgrades have been cleared.... United hands upgrades out like candy, but its pretty easy to get upgraded on DL.

rickair7777 10-03-2014 08:38 PM

UAL nonrev is nearly useless for a regional pilot. Flights are always oversold and mainline employees can bump you on your own aircraft using a loophole in their nonrev policy.

Nonrev benefits was a significant factor in the compensation package that I considered when I got into the regional business, and I got a lot of mileage out of it in years past.

But due to high loads and policy changes which favor mainline employees, the benefit is essentially worthless for regional employees. I would not factor that into your career decisions at all, unless it's for commuting purposes.

If it's just you, you can JS everywhere. But if you want to take family, plan on buying a ticket unless your schedule is very flexible and open-ended.

rcfd13 10-03-2014 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1739774)
Nonrev benefits was a significant factor in the compensation package that I considered when I got into the regional business, and I got a lot of mileage out of it in years past.

Loss of DL benefits (and DL jumpseat ability) is a significant factor in why I won't bid the 175 even though I live in one of the domiciles. Being stuck with just UAL is something I don't want to deal with.

jackcarls0n 10-03-2014 10:24 PM

Non-rev benefits UAL vs DAL vs AAG
 
on DL you would be able to get firsr class domestic. i have 3 times.
We have delta and united both and delta's non rev benefits are so much better then united.

CBreezy 10-04-2014 07:07 AM

I know United's isn't perfect but my family, even without me, has had little to no problem non-reving all over the country on United. I also have enjoyed business/global first to Europe and back. They do seem to have higher loads than Delta but I've found that the United standby list is often over exaggerated. Seems people will list for every flight to a certain city because, even on a clear day, I've been number 10 and the only person to be at that gate waiting.

mexipilot84 10-04-2014 08:07 AM

"Vacation passes" will make any commuting and Nonreving difficult on UA travel especially if you're an RJ driver. Like someone mentioned mainline can bump you off your own metal. They do have that double travel companion option at UA. However UA still has a lot of RJ flying and still suffer from weight restrictions on some E145 equip. I definitely miss my DL bennies

At least DL S2 passes only work on your metal, so mainline guy can't S2 on a regional flight (maybe only 9e now). DL still has buddy passes for some even though I wouldn't give them to my worst enemy. Upgrading for free to first on any DL flight is great when you can get it. Overall great travel program.

AA don't know anything about it.

snippercr 10-04-2014 08:19 AM

At AAG, the wholly owned carriers travel at the same priority as mainline and now it is all by checkin time. Check in first and you secure that location even if some 64 year CA shows up at the last minute. Time of check in was how LAA worked but LUS used seniority.

We also have a few "D1" passes which are similar to vacation passes. All it is though is just a higher boarding priority. Also, if you are connecting through a city, you travel at a higher priority among your group (ORD-DFW-SEA, in DFW you would be considered a "through" passenger and have a higher priority. This can be useful).

Buddy passes are kind of pricey that to use domestically almost makes more sense to just buy a ticket and skip non-revving in general, especially on heavy traveled markets. For instance, to travel a buddy from ORD-SEA-ORD it was about $160.

Non-wholly owned carriers get screwed. AA does not differentiate based on who operates the flights, just pass-classification. Ergo, a Republic person and their family (thus non-wholly owned) will get bumped by any AAG employee even on their own metal. Only time who operates the flight is for the JS (note to mods, this is not SSI) and then it is based on carrier and seniority. Also, AA treats the JS as just another seat therefore you cannot "just list for the JS." You have to list as non-rev and if no seats are open, they then go through the non-rev list again and see who are pilots and handle it accordingly.

All coach travel is now free and international you pay appropriate taxes. First domestic is usually not likely but have gotten it on many occasions. Just depends on how many aadvantage members are on and using their upgrades. Certain markets have a higher percentage and others have lower. For instance, my parents travel ORD-DCA a LOT and they almost always get first class. International First or Business is a lot more likely and worth it - especially on 3 cabin configurations since most upgrades are 1 class only. So First may have a few seats open but everyone upgrading is just coach to business. So business fills up, and then the non-revs get first.

PapaUniform 10-04-2014 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1739966)
AA does not differentiate based on who operates the flights, just pass-classification. Ergo, a Republic person and their family (thus non-wholly owned) will get bumped by any AAG employee even on their own metal.

All accurate except for this. Non-wholly owned nonrevs have priority above all others on their own metal, including D1s. However, the reservation system isn't capable of sorting the standby list this way, so it is the gate agents responsibility to figure this out.


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