Really?!?!?!?!?! That's where I'm starting was told MCO is way senior.

100%. There is not a single Freedumb A lister on the ERJ on either certificate. There aren't any on the Dash-8 out of JFK as far as I know. Every *** is currenly working a desk job, left the airline industry (as they should), or sitting in PHX on a CRJ.

I had a Freedom jumpseater the other day. date of hire was 8/05. i let him on. For future reference, when is date of hire that is on the good list at Freedom

additionally, there are quite a few (around a dozen) on the bottom of the CA roster in ORD. It's great to hear these ***'s whining in the crew room about being abused on ready reserve, and how miserable they are. Of course, they did what they did because they needed a job, and were trying to put food on the table :rolleyes:

...losers!

Our contract (if you can call it that) was signed Feb '03, so technically, any date of hire prior to that would be an A-lister. The earlier the hire date, the bigger the scab (or union-buster...whatever you want to call it). All those with hire dates after Feb '03 are "B-listers". However, since the A-listers are now combined into the master Mesa seniority list, it's impossible to tell. The only way to determine is to have a "Feedom Scab List" (which many Mesa pilots would be more than happy to provide!). None of those worthless SOB's would admit they were A-listers when trying to jumpseat.

And as mentioned, the current pilots flying ERJ's and Dash-8's under the Freedom certificate aren't either an A or B-lister...just another Mesa pilot.

Think It's the 2001 to January 2003 guys that are contained on the Freedom A.

From what I gather everyone has come to accept the Freedom B listers at this point, despite that maybe they too should have known that they were going to work under the conditions they did, whipsawing Mesa.

My question is if people accept these guys should you really hold a grudge against future GoJets pilots who didn't go work for the company until after they undercut TSA? How are new hires for GoJets any different from these so-called Freedom B listers?

News flash, the B's did no such thing. This stuff isn't tough - Freedom "A" listers were the bad guys, anyone else is cool.

Incidentally, I knew 3 "A" listers. One took a job with the FAA, one took a desk job with MAPD, and one is a -900 CA in Phoenix.

Difficult to say because of the a/c shell game JO plays. There are ERJ guys who were JA'd to Freedom in recent years but may have a hire date before Freedom even existed. The alter-ego was only flying CRJ 900's. The best way to tell is to get a copy of the *** list or the CBA has a seniority list in the back that show's who was where at the time of the CBA's signing.

Are GOJETS and TSA on one seniority list/one contract? Mesa and Freedom are. Do you apply to TSA to get a job at GOJETS? At Mesa, you apply to Mesa Air Group and they decide whether to send you to Mesa, AMW, or Freedom. There's no difference between Mesa flying and Freedom flying. Same pilot group, same contract. Pretty sure that isn't the case with TSA and GOJETS today.