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Old 11-12-2014, 12:02 PM
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Good news, provided they're not hiding any other objectionable bullet points.

Edit: Seems one such bullet point is a dramatic increase in the number of RJ's at the current seat limit.

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Sky Talk: American presents contract proposal to pilots

NOVEMBER 11, 2014

American presents contract proposal to pilots

American Airlines has formally presented a contract proposal to its pilots union which is considering whether or not it will send proposal to its members for a vote.

According to a letter sent by American president Scott Kirby to the Allied Pilots Association on Tuesday, the contract proposal would give pilots the highest pay rate among legacy carriers.

"It is my hope that as we build a stronger, more trusting relationship that, together, we will be able to reach the best economic considerations for the 100,000 employees of American and the company in the future," Kirby wrote in the letter obtained by the Star-Telegram.

The proposal does not include the company's initial request to add 5 more seats to the regional jet work scope section of the contract that would allow regional carriers, like Envoy Air and Piedmont Airlines, to fly jets with 81 seats instead of the current scope of 76 seats.

Kirby said that adding those five seats would translate into tens of millions of dollars in new revenue annually to the airline.

"Even though we believe the scope request is in the best interest of all involved, we believe that establishing trust with our employees is even more important," Kirby wrote. "Today's proposal ommits a request to add five seats to the 76-seat jets as a sign of good faith to demonstrate the trust we want to build."

The APA's board is meeting on Wednesday to consider the proposal. The two sides had previously agreed to a 30-day negotiating extension that lasts through November 15.

If the APA decides by the end of the week to send the proposal to members for a ratification vote, there is another extension for 45 days. And if a contract agreement is reached outside of arbitration, pay rates would become effective on December 1, regardless of the actual effective date of the contract.

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no more RJ's!!!
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Old 11-12-2014, 01:24 PM
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The regional pilots flying those get paid more money too right? Or do they just need us to pull in more revenue to pay themselves more?
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Old 11-12-2014, 01:33 PM
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How about neither
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Old 11-12-2014, 01:39 PM
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The regional pilots flying those get paid more money too right? Or do they just need us to pull in more revenue to pay themselves more?
Ha.. Paid more, at Envoy they are pushing for more pilot concessions to fly larger regional jets. It's a battle we have been fighting since Parker took over. Apparently our 43 million is concessions during bankruptcy wasn't enough.. At the regional level they expect you to be paid less to fly larger equipment, yeah right.. Don't give them any more on scope APA!
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why would you say it's good news? do you know what good news is?
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Not good news. If it passes, Parker and his minions will be able to put more large RJs at the regionals than they are currently allowed to...good news would be what Delta is doing, which is to take back flying from regionals. Any press release from Parker or Kirby should be taken with a ton of salt, and lemon...and tabasco sauce, the kind you can only get in Mexico.
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no more RJ's!!!
If they can only make a market work by flying a 37, 50 or 76 seat airplane into it, that's fine. Let them have all the RJ's they need for the feed...but put them on the mainline carrier's certificate.

The problem isn't the existence of the RJ - the problem is the existence of regional airlines as separate companies from mainline. We need to bring down the regional industry as a separate entity from mainline.
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I'm in support of the 81 seat jets! I think it's a great idea.

There is absolutely no reason that mainline can't fly them!
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no more RJ's!!!
And yet you voted YES...
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