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ENY 145's to TSA and PDT
American to reassign a portion of Embraer fleet beginning in 2015 Envoy team: American Airlines today informed me that it plans to reassign some of its Embraer E145 aircraft that are currently being operated by Envoy and place them with other operators. American has finalized agreements with Trans States and another regional carrier that will be announced in the coming days to operate at least 15 aircraft each.They anticipate that the first of these aircraft will transition beginning next spring. Additionally, American plans to transfer at least 20 more aircraft to Piedmont beginning in the first quarter of 2016. American has made it clear that the reassignment of E145 aircraft is not a reflection on the quality of service that Envoy employees provide to its customers and the important role we play in American Airlines Group. The sole reason for moving these aircraft is that we have been unable in recent months to attract and retain enough pilots to operate the full schedule that American wants us to fly in 2015, given the number of Envoy pilots flowing through to American each month or leaving due to normal attrition. In today’s competitive environment, pilots seeking an airline career understandably apply to those regional carriers that are actively growing and expanding their fleets. We have the opportunity to expand our fleet if we reach a competitive, cost-effective agreement with our pilots. Just as we have faced other challenges in our company’s history, Envoy will adapt and respond to these changes. We are working now to determine the exact timing and impact on our people, but it is clear we will need to adjust staffing in certain groups as our flying decreases and aircraft move to other carriers. Other groups, such as Customer Services, will not be impacted by the change. Our maintenance and engineering organizations will be working very hard throughout this transition to ensure that all of the proper checks have been completed in order to transfer aircraft to other operators. We also are working to have Envoy continue to perform heavy maintenance on the 15 aircraft being awarded to Trans States. I remain optimistic that we can work together to achieve the competitive costs that will strengthen Envoy and enable us to earn new business. In the meantime, we will continue to do what we do best – run a safe, reliable airline for our customers. We have built Envoy’s reputation on the quality of our service, and we will maintain nothing less than the highest standards of safety and professionalism going forward. Thank you for all you do – for each other and our customers. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/at...0058B.FB2A97D0 Pedro Fábregas, President & CEO |
I don't know how Parker sleeps at night
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CRJ's are leaving and now 50 140/145's are leaving too. What does that leave Eagle to fly?
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Originally Posted by ftrflyboy
(Post 1768167)
CRJ's are leaving and now 50 140/145's are leaving too. What does that leave Eagle to fly?
filler |
Wow. Will TSA be able to staff them and the new united xjt 145's is the question
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Originally Posted by spaaks
(Post 1768174)
Wow. Will TSA be able to staff them and the new united xjt 145's is the question
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Their business plan is simply to poach the pilots from Eagle just as they plan to do from XJT. If no one goes, the plan falls apart. There are not enough new puppies being birthed from the mills anymore. Personally, I'll get out of aviation altogether before I play this game. There is no good future in commercial aviation under the whipsaw, anyway.
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Originally Posted by bedrock
(Post 1768181)
Their business plan is simply to poach the pilots from Eagle just as they plan to do from XJT. If no one goes, the plan falls apart. There are not enough new puppies being birthed from the mills anymore. Personally, I'll get out of aviation altogether before I play this game. There is no good future in commercial aviation under the whipsaw, anyway.
The "large" regional carriers (RAH, XJT, Envoy - incidentally the ones who said no), are all in trouble as they shrink with attrition, their upgrade time becomes indeterminate and they cannot attract new people. |
We deserve this, we are our own worst enemies. If only people would see that making lateral moves only hurts pilot industry and benefits management only this whole whipsaw would end.
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Originally Posted by snippercr
(Post 1768184)
PSA proved some things: People care about quick upgrade - be if for the PIC time or the higher pay rate. New aircraft = quicker upgrade, especially at smaller regional carriers. People will chase the upgrade. Dont believe me, ask some PSA scum how their classes are doing. All are full and people lined up out the door.
The "large" regional carriers (RAH, XJT, Envoy - incidentally the ones who said no), are all in trouble as they shrink with attrition, their upgrade time becomes indeterminate and they cannot attract new people. Of course the large ones are going to shrink, attrition, and undercutting were going to see to that, but the unanswered question is what will happen to the regional industry as a whole? It will shrink, and that is what is best for us all. However, if PSA, PDT become yet the new low standard, who is going to spend 200K to go there? Pilots have other options than "home depot". We are not trained to just fly airplanes, but we have the transferable skills of organization, problem solving, customer service, management, technical knowledge, ability to learn and retain reams of information on FARs, limitations, SOPs, systems, profiles, science, etc. Pilots need to refuse the narrative "pilot is the only job I can do". With a little extra certification and some experience, a pilot would make an excellent plant or logistics manager, for example. I sincerely hope more of us will refuse to sacrifice ourselves at the regional altar. Starving the beast is the only way. |
ENY 145's to TSA and PDT
Wonder who AAG will offer the 175's too next? Hmmm. Always wanted to work for American my how that has changed.
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Originally Posted by ftrflyboy
(Post 1768167)
CRJ's are leaving and now 50 140/145's are leaving too. What does that leave Eagle to fly?
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Endeavor's attrition could spike too with this announcement thus cancelling our half way decent news...some people here are hell bent to chase the quick upgrade. The whipsaw will continue I fear.
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I may be way wrong on this, but I see this as a harbinger of good things to come for Envoy. Why? Here's why.
As AAG assigns 175s to Compass and Republic, and as they shed 145s to TSA, Piedmont, and another regional to be named later, (SKW??),.......they're running out of regionals to fly the remaining 175s. TSA will barely be able to staff the 145s they're getting, so there's no way they'll be in the running for 175s. And they won't be able to shift guys over from Compass. Air Willy just announced their agreement to take-on a bunch of 200s for Delta, so they're not gonna be in any position to consider the remaining 175s. SkyWest is in a similar boat and PSA obviously has their hands full getting ready for 20(+/-) more 900s and 49 more 700s. Who's left? Lakes? Silver? Commutair? AAG just strengthened Envoy's hand! They're quickly running out of places to put the rest of the 175s,......plus all of the options. Parker's hand is about played-out. |
Explain how skw is in a similar boat? Were getting 12 200s and parking 40 turboprops.... Staffing is nowhere near as big a issue here as other places. Especially not in the future seeing as there is nothing moving here but the 175s from united and the 200s from delta. We could absorb 30 aircraft easily.
I'm not saying I don't wish you guys all the best and hope you do get what's coming, but I just wanted to point out skw is not like PSA or whiskey with our staffing. |
Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 1768253)
I may be way wrong on this, but I see this as a harbinger of good things to come for Envoy. Why? Here's why.
As AAG assigns 175s to Compass and Republic, and as they shed 145s to TSA, Piedmont, and another regional to be named later, (SKW??),.......they're running out of regionals to fly the remaining 175s. TSA will barely be able to staff the 145s they're getting, so there's no way they'll be in the running for 175s. And they won't be able to shift guys over from Compass. Air Willy just announced their agreement to take-on a bunch of 200s for Delta, so they're not gonna be in any position to consider the remaining 175s. SkyWest is in a similar boat and PSA obviously has their hands full getting ready for 20(+/-) more 900s and 49 more 700s. Who's left? Lakes? Silver? Commutair? AAG just strengthened Envoy's hand! They're quickly running out of places to put the rest of the 175s,......plus all of the options. Parker's hand is about played-out. .... Mesa.... Don't shoot the messenger.... |
...such great news!!!
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Compass is actively bidding on 20 more of the AA E175s. I know SKW is gunning for the 40 E175s too, and I think they could staff them all over a timeline without fail. I wouldnt get to comfy thinking "nobody can staff them", its just a poor coping mechanism.
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Mason told you guys.
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So they can't attract pilots to fly these planes, according to the eagle union, but magically management expects to find pilots by switching flying to a different carrier?
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Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 1768253)
I may be way wrong on this, but I see this as a harbinger of good things to come for Envoy. Why? Here's why.
As AAG assigns 175s to Compass and Republic, and as they shed 145s to TSA, Piedmont, and another regional to be named later, (SKW??),.......they're running out of regionals to fly the remaining 175s. TSA will barely be able to staff the 145s they're getting, so there's no way they'll be in the running for 175s. And they won't be able to shift guys over from Compass. Air Willy just announced their agreement to take-on a bunch of 200s for Delta, so they're not gonna be in any position to consider the remaining 175s. SkyWest is in a similar boat and PSA obviously has their hands full getting ready for 20(+/-) more 900s and 49 more 700s. Who's left? Lakes? Silver? Commutair? AAG just strengthened Envoy's hand! They're quickly running out of places to put the rest of the 175s,......plus all of the options. Parker's hand is about played-out. http://www.amazon.com/Who-Moved-My-C.../dp/0399144463 |
Originally Posted by saturn
(Post 1768293)
Who moved my Cheese?
Who Moved My Cheese?: An Amazing Way to Deal with Change in Your Work and in Your Life: Spencer Johnson, Kenneth Blanchard: 9780399144462: Amazon.com: Books |
Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy
(Post 1768299)
It only has 3.5 stars, most probably due to the stupid title.
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I'm glad I was able to get out. Good luck to all...
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Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 1768253)
I may be way wrong on this, but I see this as a harbinger of good things to come for Envoy. Why? Here's why.
As AAG assigns 175s to Compass and Republic, and as they shed 145s to TSA, Piedmont, and another regional to be named later, (SKW??),.......they're running out of regionals to fly the remaining 175s. TSA will barely be able to staff the 145s they're getting, so there's no way they'll be in the running for 175s. And they won't be able to shift guys over from Compass. Air Willy just announced their agreement to take-on a bunch of 200s for Delta, so they're not gonna be in any position to consider the remaining 175s. SkyWest is in a similar boat and PSA obviously has their hands full getting ready for 20(+/-) more 900s and 49 more 700s. Who's left? Lakes? Silver? Commutair? AAG just strengthened Envoy's hand! They're quickly running out of places to put the rest of the 175s,......plus all of the options. Parker's hand is about played-out. Losing all CRJs. Just lost about half of ERJs? If not more? Compass and RAH taking deliveries of 170s and other regionals bidding on more 170s to fly for Eagle . But this is somehow good for you guys? Am I missing something here |
Originally Posted by basesjuiced
(Post 1768319)
Losing all CRJs. Just lost about half of ERJs? If not more? Compass and RAH taking deliveries of 170s and other regionals bidding on more 170s to fly for Eagle . But this is somehow good for you guys? Am I missing something here
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Originally Posted by basesjuiced
(Post 1768319)
Losing all CRJs. Just lost about half of ERJs? If not more? Compass and RAH taking deliveries of 170s and other regionals bidding on more 170s to fly for Eagle . But this is somehow good for you guys? Am I missing something here
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Originally Posted by TheBills
(Post 1768177)
There is no way.
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Originally Posted by basesjuiced
(Post 1768319)
Losing all CRJs. Just lost about half of ERJs? If not more? Compass and RAH taking deliveries of 170s and other regionals bidding on more 170s to fly for Eagle . But this is somehow good for you guys? Am I missing something here
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Originally Posted by spaaks
(Post 1768174)
Wow. Will TSA be able to staff them and the new united xjt 145's is the question
If my crash pad can be filled with new hire Silver and Mesa guys, well TSA can get pilots no problem. |
Originally Posted by Pilottim79
(Post 1768539)
Silver, Commute Air, Great Lakes, Cape Air, Furloughed pilots and CQFOs.
If my crash pad can be filled with new hire Silver and Mesa guys, well TSA can get pilots no problem. |
Originally Posted by basesjuiced
(Post 1768319)
Losing all CRJs. Just lost about half of ERJs? If not more? Compass and RAH taking deliveries of 170s and other regionals bidding on more 170s to fly for Eagle . But this is somehow good for you guys? Am I missing something here
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The regionals are cannibalizing each other, as soon as the music stops (lateral moves) there will be no one to staff these planes and a drastic change in the regional model will be needed. The squall line of the perfect storm has come ashore.
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Stand Strong envoy pilots. Every other regional out there are proud you of guys.
Good Luck. |
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1768724)
Stand Strong envoy pilots. Every other regional out there are proud you of guys.
Sorry, but that it what is happening. |
Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond
(Post 1768726)
Do you mean "Every other regional pilot that is benefiting from your "NO" vote"?
Sorry, but that it what is happening. Good Luck! |
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