Which regional has the best contract?
12-26-2014, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
How many pilots are at Envoy? How many planes and pilots are at Piedmont??
Envoy has over 2500 pilots and Piedmont just over 350? Do the percentage math and you'll see. That's why I was saying its better for Piedmont to not get any of the 145's and stay small.
Envoy has over 2500 pilots and Piedmont just over 350? Do the percentage math and you'll see. That's why I was saying its better for Piedmont to not get any of the 145's and stay small.
12-26-2014, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Yeah, that's why I told him to do the math. And also pointed out that mainline carriers are not just hiring captains anymore. So its not all about upgrade anymore.
Where is this hiring boom 10 years ago?????? arghhhhhh
12-26-2014, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
True and seems like JetBlue is starting to like Regional FO's in the fact they know they might have them for awhile. If I were a junior FO at JetBlue or Virgin or Alligiant I'd probably be updating my resume to the big 4 carriers as well.
Where is this hiring boom 10 years ago?????? arghhhhhh
Where is this hiring boom 10 years ago?????? arghhhhhh
12-28-2014, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Keep in mind that more and more regional FOs are being hired at mainline airlines. For example, at xjt, from January 1st to November 30th, there was total attrition of 733 pilots, 417 of those were FOs, and only 48 of those went to other regionals. The vast majority of FOs are going to mainline.
12-29-2014, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Da40Pilot
Thank you, so here's my next question....based on a first officer holding a line on first year pay of say, $25/hour, what is the ACTUAL average take home pay with all the stuff added on top? Per diems, junior manned trips, overtime etc...?
PDT had recruiters on the day I took my ATP written at American Flyers in Santa Monica, CA and they were saying how first year pay actually ends up being around $40k for their first officers after all is said and done, which is almost double of what it would be based on the guarantee/hourly pay....
I'm just trying to figure out how most people survive the first year on $1600/month.
PDT had recruiters on the day I took my ATP written at American Flyers in Santa Monica, CA and they were saying how first year pay actually ends up being around $40k for their first officers after all is said and done, which is almost double of what it would be based on the guarantee/hourly pay....
I'm just trying to figure out how most people survive the first year on $1600/month.
Per diem for a 4 day trip should be around $145 bucks. Run 6 of those in a month and you have another Grand or so in your paycheck.
12-29-2014, 06:42 AM
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Which regional has the best contract?
Originally Posted by Da40Pilot
Wait, is this true? You're saying XJT lost close to 20% of their pilots this year to attrition?
It's actually 783 pilots attrited from 1/1/14 to 11/30/14 out of 2643 that are on the list as of 12/1/14. So about 30%. Everyone predicts that will go up.
Originally Posted by NewPil0t
It really depends on a few things.. for years pilots got stuck on reserve and only got their guaranteed pay. But as of lately, besides being rare getting stuck on the ground all month, there's plenty of opportunity to take trips on your off days and make closer to 100 flying hours per month, and lots more credits since those extra trips are at 150% of your contracted rate.
Per diem for a 4 day trip should be around $145 bucks. Run 6 of those in a month and you have another Grand or so in your paycheck.
Per diem for a 4 day trip should be around $145 bucks. Run 6 of those in a month and you have another Grand or so in your paycheck.
And you'll have no life.
The true measure of a contract is how much flying you do while also getting time off. The metric for that is total compensation (not just what's in your W2 divided by total block hours flown.
12-29-2014, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NewPil0t
It really depends on a few things.. for years pilots got stuck on reserve and only got their guaranteed pay. But as of lately, besides being rare getting stuck on the ground all month, there's plenty of opportunity to take trips on your off days and make closer to 100 flying hours per month, and lots more credits since those extra trips are at 150% of your contracted rate.
Per diem for a 4 day trip should be around $145 bucks. Run 6 of those in a month and you have another Grand or so in your paycheck.
Per diem for a 4 day trip should be around $145 bucks. Run 6 of those in a month and you have another Grand or so in your paycheck.
12-29-2014, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I need to correct what I wrote. The total number of pilots (both sides) is around 4300 pilots. I incorrectly gave the total pilots on the ERJ side only.
2015 is gonna be interesting in terms of what regionals will do to attract pilots. Endeavor with the $30k retention over 2 years....,I wonder who's next...
12-29-2014, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho
How many pilots are at Envoy? How many planes and pilots are at Piedmont??
Envoy has over 2500 pilots and Piedmont just over 350? Do the percentage math and you'll see. That's why I was saying its better for Piedmont to not get any of the 145's and stay small.
Envoy has over 2500 pilots and Piedmont just over 350? Do the percentage math and you'll see. That's why I was saying its better for Piedmont to not get any of the 145's and stay small.
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