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RB211 01-08-2015 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 1798919)
Where do you live?
Envoy used to be good but schedules lately have gone down hill.
To many variables to say which is best but I would steer clear of the bottom feeding regionals.

One should go into a regional with the plan of getting out as soon as possible. If that means PIC time, plan accordingly.

csh405 01-08-2015 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1798893)
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Well... They have told us that they currently have around 900 pilots on property and about 700 to 750 active at any given time (pilots not in training, on sick leave, or on military duty). And they plan to have a pilot group of about 1400 to 1500 active pilots and a fleet of around 140 to 150 airframes. Guy in the PSA thread said he is going about 15 to 20 slots up in seniority every month so there is attrition off the top and out of the middle too. You know, mathematical facts and all...

Right, so 1400-1500 pilots means PSA will need 700-750 captains, the amount of pilots you already have on property. All growth captains aka "quick upgrades" have already been hired. Any upgrades after that will be due to attrition only.

Anyone hired today will undoubtedly see a lot of movement and a quick rise to senior FO, but not a quick upgrade.

HappyCrew 01-08-2015 01:48 PM

It sounds like the only quick upgrades will be at TSA or Compass. Although, I've heard that unless your on property in the next few months at TSA, you've probably missed the train...

JohnnyDingus 01-08-2015 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by csh405 (Post 1798994)
Right, so 1400-1500 pilots means PSA will need 700-750 captains, the amount of pilots you already have on property. All growth captains aka "quick upgrades" have already been hired. Any upgrades after that will be due to attrition only.

Anyone hired today will undoubtedly see a lot of movement and a quick rise to senior FO, but not a quick upgrade.

Good point, but a lot of FO's are getting picked up elsewhere.. New hires are getting current and moving on or get hired just to wait to hear back from Delta or the like. That will only increase throughout the coming years.

CLT Guy 01-08-2015 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by csh405 (Post 1798994)
Right, so 1400-1500 pilots means PSA will need 700-750 captains, the amount of pilots you already have on property. All growth captains aka "quick upgrades" have already been hired. Any upgrades after that will be due to attrition only.

Anyone hired today will undoubtedly see a lot of movement and a quick rise to senior FO, but not a quick upgrade.

Your math is correct, sort of. That would be absolutely true if there is no attrition. However, with 15-20 a month (which is what is expected per month for the next year), that would mean that someone hired today would be at about 50% up the seniority list in one year.

If you are hired today, your seniority number would be ~1000, with ~800 active pilots. Attrition of 15 per month, you would move up 180 in the first year. That would put you around the 600 mark. Also, with ~25 people per class finishing training every two weeks and hitting the line, that would mean in that year, you would have 600 pilots behind you.

As long as the classes stay full, people hired today will upgrade in well under 24 months.

CLT Guy 01-08-2015 02:00 PM

Also, once the flow/ssp/whatever you want to call it increases this summer, the number leaving each month will increase even more. This increase has already been increased, and is supposed to be 10% of the pilot base each year. During the initial negotiations, it was 48 per year, as the pilot group was about 480 people. With a pilot group of 1000 now, it should be 100 per year.

I would expect the attrition numbers to stabilize at 18-20 per month, with an occasional high of 30.

SilverBullet 01-08-2015 03:40 PM

How difficult would it be to commute from Central Florida area to a regional like PSA? I am new to this Part 121 business and am trying to figure out how that will work when you are on reserve for probably the 1st year. Seems like it would be a nightmare considering the the closet domicile is CLT for me. The only regional that has a base in Florida is Silver Airways and I don't hear alot of great things about them. I guess Florida is not the state to live in if you are a regional pilot.

Can anyone giving me an idea of what a normal day would be like for someone like me to have to commute that far? Are you on reserve for consecutive days or will they give you a day off in between which would really stink because it wouldn't make sense to commute home only to have to come back the next day.

fishforfun 01-08-2015 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 1798919)
Where do you live?
Envoy used to be good but schedules lately have gone down hill.
To many variables to say which is best but I would steer clear of the bottom feeding regionals.

Thanks for the response and question. After reading most of the posts it seems they are all similar with some differences but living in base is a must.

I will be moving back to Florida in August. West coast specifically.

fishforfun 01-08-2015 04:30 PM

Thanks everyone for the replies. Definitely have helped narrow it down to living in base as a first priority. PIC time is not really a concern but more just keeping current and getting some 121 time.

Outnumbered 01-08-2015 05:02 PM

I think I should have done a bit more research (ok, that is an understatement because I only searched crew bases and then hit the submit button on apps!) about these companies.

I submitted my app last night for several companies, this morning I got a call from Republic asking me to verify my hours and then an invitation to interview at HQ. It sounds like I should disconnect my phone and run?


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