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JohnLocke 02-18-2015 08:33 AM

Real Estate License
 
Does anyone here do real estate on the side? Im considering getting my broker license as a backup/second form of income. Is it possible with 12-14 days off a month? How often do you work? Is the extra money worth it? Where did you get your license? Are there a lot of part time jobs available? Just looking for some general info before sinking my teeth into this. Thanks...

19hundo 02-18-2015 08:37 AM

I'm in the real estate business but I'm doing rental houses/flips versus being a realtor. Just another avenue to consider.

snippercr 02-18-2015 08:55 AM

I am getting into rental properties because it seems like just about every single pilot does it.

Bought my first rental this summer, did some fixing up to it (cosmetic mainly) and rented it out this fall. Been a nice little additional income. Thinking about buying my second one this spring.

FirstClass 02-18-2015 09:05 AM

As all ready mentioned, I too recommend flipping and renting. No license required for that either.

I don't know about all states, but in mine you have to have a Sales Associate license first and do several transactions through your broker before being allowed to get the broker license added on.

FirstClass 02-18-2015 09:06 AM

duplicate.

JohnLocke 02-18-2015 10:09 AM

Interesting, thanks guys. I actually just finishing reading rich dad, are there any other books you can recommend? What kind of capital do you need to buy your first property?

snippercr 02-18-2015 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by JohnLocke (Post 1827607)
Interesting, thanks guys. I actually just finishing reading rich dad, are there any other books you can recommend? What kind of capital do you need to buy your first property?

Too many factors involved with that. What is your market like? How far are you willing to travel for a cheaper market? What's your credit like - are you going to pay cash or take out a loan? Do you need PMI if you cannot afford the down payment?

My biggest piece of advise is find a mentor who is NOT on the message boards - seriously, chances are the guy you are flying with next week is doing some sort of real estate investment. Find one who is willing to talk about it and give you advice and is open to help mentor you - not a lot just some one you can ask questions of.

People I found are far more informative and helpful than books and interwebs.

JohnLocke 02-18-2015 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1827610)
Too many factors involved with that. What is your market like? How far are you willing to travel for a cheaper market? What's your credit like - are you going to pay cash or take out a loan? Do you need PMI if you cannot afford the down payment?

My biggest piece of advise is find a mentor who is NOT on the message boards - seriously, chances are the guy you are flying with next week is doing some sort of real estate investment. Find one who is willing to talk about it and give you advice and is open to help mentor you - not a lot just some one you can ask questions of.

People I found are far more informative and helpful than books and interwebs.

Good advice thanks for the help.

ZBowFlyz 02-18-2015 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by JohnLocke (Post 1827607)
Interesting, thanks guys. I actually just finishing reading rich dad, are there any other books you can recommend? What kind of capital do you need to buy your first property?

Your bank should have the details. In my state we need at least 25%down for the bank... And that's not really that good most of the time. The more you can put down the higher the cash flow. (It's a bad idea to HELOC your house)

BlueMoon 02-18-2015 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz (Post 1827618)
Your bank should have the details. In my state we need at least 25%down for the bank... And that's not really that good most of the time. The more you can put down the higher the cash flow. (It's a bad idea to HELOC your house)

I had a friend try to refinance a rental property a couple years ago down in GA. The bank told him he needed at least 50% equity for them to refinance a rental property.

Also, using a HELOC on your primary residence to buy a rental property strikes me as an awful idea.

Std Deviation 02-18-2015 11:44 AM

About 10% of the agents do 90% of the real estate business. There's a cost to keeping the certification, including continuing education, etc. so if it's a hobby (selling a couple properties a year) it's basically a break even second job. The key is availability and the willingness to go show a property at 8am on a Sunday morning with a half hour notice - not always a possibility if on a trip. And then there's driving a couple around in your car for 2 months only for them to decide not to buy. My wife has a real estate license.

FirstClass 02-18-2015 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by JohnLocke (Post 1827607)
Interesting, thanks guys. I actually just finishing reading rich dad, are there any other books you can recommend? What kind of capital do you need to buy your first property?

If we are talking about flipping houses, then I would do all cash deals ideally. If you don't have the cash, then you need some kind of line of credit or possibly a partner who's only duty will be $$$ but that requires a lot of trust (and experience on your part) otherwise look to other sources of non interest loans say from family.

If we are talking rental property, that means you are going to want to be cash flow positive. For that to happen, you need to put 35% down in order to charge competitive rents and still be cash flow positive. I always run the numbers on the conservative side. For example, if a single family house, then I always figure 1 month per year unrented. Or if we are talking about a 6 unit apartment building, I figure one unit is always unrented or undergoing remodeling etc..

The absolute best resource out there on the internet in my opinion is biggerpockets.com

On a side note, the one thing I have learned about flipping houses is this- it's best to flip houses in expensive neighborhoods, better margins! For example- whether we are talking a small house in a crappy neighborhood or a large house in an expensive neighborhood, a mid to premium kitchen covering say 700 square feet costs the same in both houses. But it drives far more value in the larger house for a variety of reasons. I could go on and on but this isn't the place.

waflyboy 02-18-2015 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz (Post 1827618)
The more you can put down the higher the cash flow.

Another consideration: Putting down more can reduce your return on cash...

irrelevant 02-18-2015 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1827714)

The absolute best resource out there on the internet in my opinion is biggerpockets.com

There's a lot of good information in this entire post, but what I quoted is what I was just about to post. There's enough information there to cut about 7-10 years off the learning curve for a novice landlord/property investor.

ZBowFlyz 02-18-2015 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 1827780)
Another consideration: Putting down more can reduce your return on cash...

In my (first hand) experience with this theory, I disagree. I had to find out the hard way though. I couldn't afford my first one and justified this approach to myself. Perhaps your financial situation is different than mine so your results may vary?

What you describe works great until your 3 year old furnace breaks, a 5 year old pressure tank bursts (when you are in BUF on an overnight and some idiot hits the side of your duplex with her car.

On paper it looks great! I agree. And I understand the theory especially with these interest rates we are seeing. It comes with it's own risk though.

I'll add that if you aren't personally wealthy, your ability to move on other good investments is non existent when you have no equity. It's just a risk that can actually slow down a persons financial progress.

There are differing schools of thought on this stuff and it depends on a lot of different variables that are unique to your own situation.:)

Jet87 02-19-2015 05:54 AM

biggerpockets.com is an amazing resource. I'm a big fan of their podcast. I have my real estate license, its a good way to learn the industry and I get to make a commission when buying and selling (I work with a couple of investors flipping homes) I really do enjoy but like people have said you need some sort of large amount of cash/line of credit to really get started.


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