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Any AWAC guys in here heard anything solid about the contract being renewed or securing a new contract this year and in what time frame? CFI CFII MEI roughly six months out of hitting 1500 and AWAC is towards the top of my list if new contract looks good... Any info would be great. Thanks!


Mike

If anybody there had heard anything solid, wouldn't you assume it had been discussed on here?

Everything is rumors and what we are hearing at Piedmont is that our EMB 145's will be based in DCA. I don't know how that will have any impact on AWAC at out DCA. Which makes sense with SBY and ROA as our Mx bases.

Nothing has been said, and I dont expect to hear anything IMO until at least August. All they keep telling us is that "flying will definitely beyond 2015".

B.F said expect an announcement from C.D. about our future within the next two months.

An announcement in principle.

Using initials as if they are super secret lol. Everyone knows about Christine and Bob.

It'll be something along the lines of "we have been working hard with US/AA about our future as the two carriers merge, stay tuned until the first quarter of 2016 for future updates"

Latest rumor - and it is just that - is a 10-year agreement with additional airframes on top of our existing fleet. Possibly PSA's -200s - which makes sense but it means AWAC remains a 50-seat only fleet.

No idea how they're going to staff any more airplanes. Depending on the day of the week, RSV coverage goes down to almost nothing now...

Mike, out of curiosity, do you wear a Blue shirt or a Red shirt? Or if it's neither, then disregard this :)

I will be nice to get PSAs -200...if only for the fact they have new paint on them.

I would at least let Envoy send those aircraft through deconformity before you start calling them "yours". A lot can happen between now and when the first one is scheduled to arrive there.

Red shirt.... Familiar with the company?

Mike

PSA can keep their 200's and the paint. I want money! $45/hr for a rj f/o still isn't close to what we should make.

possible with all the hiring they are doing, theyre still doing multiple interview sessions a week and this is going on since november, though classes dates are being shifted, none are scheduled for may and april went from 2 to 1

If AWAC gets new planes, and that's a big IF.. they will have no trouble what so ever staffing them since it's the highest paid regional with best quality of life for both FO's and CA's... I dunno about the FA's tho ;)

The only way that will happen is if we
sell them to you.I'm not sure how many
we own and the rest are long term leases


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Did envoy sell their 145s to expressjet or TSA?

You don't own the jets, AAG does- and they can have whoever they want fly them.

Some of the 200s are owned by PSA ..Been here about 8 months .I've had more than 1 person tell me this ..The rest
are leased..


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PSA like PDT doesn't own any planes. Almost all of PDT's Dash 8's are owned but not by PDT. AAG can do what they want with the planes.

I highly doubt the PSA's 200's will be transferred to AWAC because of how cheap PSA is to operate and the fact they're getting 50 people a month. Every airlines has some issues with staffing but with the quick upgrades PSA isn't having a hard time getting people.

Exactly. Which is how AAG can move the -700s from Envoy to PSA, and 145s from Envoy to PDT. That's how they could conceivably move 175s (4xx tail numbers) from Republic to, say, Envoy (but not 100 or 800 tails). Same as how DAL could move planes between their DCI carriers, etc.

As I said, it's just a rumor. Believe nothing until after it has happened :)

Quite so. Look for a PM.

It's hard to tell who owns anything these days..If you check the FAA registry a lot
of aircraft are registered to LLCs


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PSAs planes are assets of American Airlines Group and they can do whatever they want with them

Billy Billy...this is not about staffing...it is about harmonizing fleets. PSA is getting 700s, Envoy 175s or whatever they are. It would make sense to move the 200s to one carrier since all the other carriers in the express system are moving to one fleet type. At least that is what they announced.

I say it makes sense...doesn't mean it is going to happen that way...but such a plan is not an indication of whether you can staff or not...we do know the other express carriers can't cover their flying since AWAC has been asked constantly to pick up extra flying going on a year now.

psa's ability to attract pilots IS only due to the fact that AAG is publicizing well in advance of actually getting the aircraft, while at the same time AAG announces the demise of another aag owned feeder, aiding psa in recruitment. PSA will eventually end up being a clogged, non movement stagnate operations within 12 months from now. Even aag has made that fact known.

I'm sure in a few years once 200's starts to expire, AAG will grow PDT or Envoy once PSA is saturated with pilots and stagnant without an ability to attract new hires. They'll increase flow at PSA in a few months so I see PSA being alright for next 3-5 years at least due to cheaper labor rate than other wholly owned. Unless we get critical pay back then I see AAG stop growing PSA due to labor costs.

For the sake of other awac crews, fodhopper you need to settle down, you're embarrassing us. Harmonizing fleet type?! How'd you come up with that one? Last time I check a cl-65 is a cl65. I know its tough watching others grow while awac sits around like a dead fish. Embrass the fish my friend.

Do you think I like it either? But absent any other theory at the moment, I thought this forum was about fleshing out the ideas.

If the posited theory is correct and we get a few extra 200s instead of no flying and shut down...then I'll take the 10 year contract...Doesn't mean I believe that is what is going to happen...the Delta fiasco taught us not to believe too deeply.

As for "harmonizing" it only meant each carrier flies one type. Do we all want to be in newer aircraft, with fancy things like coupled VNAV and maybe access to a lav that doesn't require the walk of shame? Sure do.

However, at the moment AWAC still pays green money even when we are cancelled and the view is still the same out the window.

I thought the 200, 700 and 900 were the same Type rating. The pilots at PSA can bid 200 flying, 700 or 900 and it makes no difference. And they are flying them at a much reduced rate compared to AWAC and AAG keeps all the profit. To me that makes way more sense to keep the 200's at PSA especially if they can easily staff them.
Again I'm not an Airline Executive so I'm not sure how things actually work.
Parkers main plan is to try and operate 3 WO'ed airlines each one having close to 100 planes. We'll see how that works out.

[QUOTE=billyho;1845710]I thought the 200, 700 and 900 were the same Type rating. The pilots at PSA can bid 200 flying, 700 or 900 and it makes no difference. And they are flying them at a much reduced rate compared to AWAC and AAG keeps all the profit. To me that makes way more sense to keep the 200's at PSA especially if they can easily staff them. [/QOUTE]

They are the same type but the -700/-900 are different critters than the -200. Leading edge devices, FADEC, some vastly simplified systems operations (fewer switches and blinky lights :) ) and an environmental system that, I've heard, works.

I don't believe anyone actively builds pairings and lines with a mix of -200 and -700/-900 flying, unlike the ERJ operators where one could conceivably fly the 135, 140 and 145 not only on one trip but on the same day (think I did it once during my short time at EGL way back).

Nah... we don't know how they work. We're Pilots and we think too logically. :D

Does he really want three WOs? See here:http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1845788 as I'm too lazy to retype what I said :)