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trent890 03-19-2015 05:01 PM

Pilot Shortage (2015 OSU Summit)
 
The regional airline industry still can't seem to fix the problem of attracting enough pilots to fill the low paying, entry-level new hire pilot positions.

Let's have another summit to discuss these issues!

https://aviation.osu.edu/Pilotsupplysummit

This should help find solutions to fix the problem. Not!

Cbusbased 03-19-2015 05:22 PM

Pilot Shortage (2015 OSU Summit)
 
I wonder how many PSA managers will be there? (I graduated OSU in 2010 and a ton of alumni went there)

Diver Driver 03-19-2015 05:25 PM

At least this time they invited all sides of the coin to participate as opposed to the ERAU summit. Gotta give them credit for that.

Cbusbased 03-19-2015 05:32 PM

Pilot Shortage (2015 OSU Summit)
 
I hope they don't go in that summit and try to convince a bunch of students there's a shortage of pilots; instead a shortage of pilots willing to work under crap contracts.

CaYaTeKbron 03-19-2015 05:57 PM

Another sh*^t show, pay more and give me the respect that we deserve, glad to see the community reaction against this....

Irishblackbird 03-19-2015 08:06 PM

Pure speculation on my part, but I bet Ohio State is trying ascertain whether or not its viable to continue offering flight training and aviation related degrees. Whereas Embry Riddle is one suited in that its primary focus is educating aviation professionals, both seminars are self serving in that one needs to bolster enrollment while the other may abandon the insdustry all together in favor of redploying its efforts and capital towards its other colleges (medicine, law, business, agriculture).

trent890 03-20-2015 07:08 AM

How many other degree-granting schools have closed up their 2 or 4 year flight training programs over the last several years?

I know St. Cloud State in MN ended last year, and Daniel Webster College in NH was finished a few years ago. What others used to be out there that no longer have active flight operations?

ClickClickBoom 03-20-2015 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by CaYaTeKbron (Post 1846029)
Another sh*^t show, pay more and give me the respect that we deserve, glad to see the community reaction against this....

Which "respect" do you deserve?

DryMotorBoatin 03-20-2015 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1846268)
Which "respect" do you deserve?

I like to think of it as dignity rather than respect. At the regionals...pilots aren't treated with the dignity they deserve.

Flightcap 03-20-2015 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by trent890 (Post 1846259)
How many other degree-granting schools have closed up their 2 or 4 year flight training programs over the last several years?

I know St. Cloud State in MN ended last year, and Daniel Webster College in NH was finished a few years ago. What others used to be out there that no longer have active flight operations?

University of Illinois (Champaign) shut theirs down two and a half years ago.

satpak77 03-20-2015 08:51 AM

I would not be shocked if more schools shut down.

All these "career fairs" etc are efforts to drum up students

Generation Y and Z does not day dream about aviation. For the last 15 years, when in line to visit grandma, they have heard mom and dad complain about TSA, "flying is a hassle", no food on airline flights, etc. The experience has not been good.

Airshow attendance is at all time lows. Even hunting and fishing is at all time lows.

Generation Y and Z are more concerned with taking selfies and sending likes to their facebook friends

I predict more flight schools closed

Slick111 03-20-2015 09:23 AM

Echoing the sentient stated superbly by a UPS Captain in response to the earlier Embry Riddle summit,....... it's disturbing to see institutions of higher education hosting "think-tank" symposiums to find new ways of allowing employers to hire graduates from their programs ,...... at a lower wage.

snippercr 03-20-2015 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 1846308)
University of Illinois (Champaign) shut theirs down two and a half years ago.

True however it has been taken over by Parkland Community College and can be part of a 2+2 program (Pathways). Think of it as "Flow thru" to the U of I.

As to this summit, it will be a perfect opportunity for regionals to defend their pay because they are "just a stepping stone to something bigger and all the pilots want to move onto majors! So it's just temporary!"

NineGturn 03-20-2015 05:27 PM

You all should get a kick out of this....

Air India recruitment drive fails to draw any applicants for pilot jobs

Now that's India...but...I'd love to see it happen here!!

"Regional Airline Association Recruitment Drive Fails to Attract any Applicants."

and in a related story..."Major Airlines increase Hiring to Cover New Routes!"

Soon I think...

Cloudnine 03-20-2015 08:34 PM

Honolulu Community College aviation program (Associates degree) is closing this semester. DA20 fleet ...A student told me it's because the graduation rate is too low, students finish elsewhere 4 year degree. Either way its a small fries school.

Extenda 03-20-2015 08:40 PM

Summit? Offer a 20k bonus for 4 years and surprise surprise, people show up to your airlines new hire class! Amazing that you can attract employees when you pay them higher than the average.

These summits are aren't trying to fix the pilot shortage. Just trying to figure out how to attract pilots without paying them anything.

bozobigtop 04-08-2015 08:48 AM

The big name aviation schools don't depend on US students in the first place especially when foreign students are filling their bank accounts. Cha-ching!

block30 04-08-2015 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by bozobigtop (Post 1858023)
The big name aviation schools don't depend on US students in the first place especially when foreign students are filling their bank accounts. Cha-ching!

Yes absolutely.

BUT....What happens when these countries, particularly China, take back their flight training? China is making big moves in aviation at all levels. I would not be surprised to see them soon winding down flight training in the United States. It makes sense from a financial, and maybe more importantly national pride reasons for China to do so.

So my question is: Is the United States ready for the draw down of foreign flight training? We need to stop kicking the can down the road.

FirstClass 04-08-2015 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1858054)
Yes absolutely.

BUT....What happens when these countries, particularly China, take back their flight training? China is making big moves in aviation at all levels. I would not be surprised to see them soon winding down flight training in the United States. It makes sense from a financial, and maybe more importantly national pride reasons for China to do so.

So my question is: Is the United States ready for the draw down of foreign flight training? We need to stop kicking the can down the road.

After inventing it, we lost being a leader in space exploration. Why should aviation be any different? Everything is for sale.

BFMthisA10 04-08-2015 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 1846308)
University of Illinois (Champaign) shut theirs down two and a half years ago.

...sort of.
School is still operating, just switched flags from Illinois to Parkland (local JuCo).
Meh...UofI had been working for years to rid itself of such a blue collar blight on it's esteemed curricula. Treated like red headed step children when I attended.

FlyingKat 04-08-2015 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1858054)
Yes absolutely.

BUT....What happens when these countries, particularly China, take back their flight training? China is making big moves in aviation at all levels. I would not be surprised to see them soon winding down flight training in the United States. It makes sense from a financial, and maybe more importantly national pride reasons for China to do so.

So my question is: Is the United States ready for the draw down of foreign flight training? We need to stop kicking the can down the road.


The head of the college program I was teaching in a couple of years ago went to China working on a contract and told us (instructors) we could go to China for a 3 year contract, instruct there at $75,000 a year housing included, and be guaranteed a job with a Chinese national carrier when the contract was included. Job offer would be flying a heavy cargo config based in LA.

clearprop 04-08-2015 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1858084)
The head of the college program I was teaching in a couple of years ago went to China working on a contract and told us (instructors) we could go to China for a 3 year contract, instruct there at $75,000 a year housing included, and be guaranteed a job with a Chinese national carrier when the contract was included. Job offer would be flying a heavy cargo config based in LA.

Why would you want to help a repressive communist country succeed in aviation?

bozobigtop 04-08-2015 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1858054)
Yes absolutely.

BUT....What happens when these countries, particularly China, take back their flight training? China is making big moves in aviation at all levels. I would not be surprised to see them soon winding down flight training in the United States. It makes sense from a financial, and maybe more importantly national pride reasons for China to do so.

So my question is: Is the United States ready for the draw down of foreign flight training? We need to stop kicking the can down the road.


No! I believe the US is very good at implementing plans, procedures, and wishlists without knowing if or how it will work. The US is also very good at implementing regulations and taxes in which is helping to drive aviation into irrelevancy in this country. Many developing countries are taking the bull by the horns and buying US businesses and whatever support products and staff needed to accomplish their goals. I am not a hater because I have seen this movie before starring other US industries from the 1970's.

Bellanca 04-08-2015 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by BFMthisA10 (Post 1858082)
...sort of.
School is still operating, just switched flags from Illinois to Parkland (local JuCo).
Meh...UofI had been working for years to rid itself of such a blue collar blight on it's esteemed curricula. Treated like red headed step children when I attended.

I refuse to belive it's the same Institute of Aviaton...

But yeah, Illinois had been trying to get rid of it for years. Not much research coming out of the school, and a perceived 'back door' for students to get into the university that did not meet the admissions standards of other programs. And, When I changed my major about 10 years ago, my advisor in LAS said there wasn't an aviaton program anymore, and I had to show him there was...

JamesNoBrakes 04-08-2015 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by bozobigtop (Post 1858091)
No! I believe the US is very good at implementing plans, procedures, and wishlists without knowing if or how it will work. The US is also very good at implementing regulations and taxes in which is helping to drive aviation into irrelevancy in this country. Many developing countries are taking the bull by the horns and buying US businesses and whatever support products and staff needed to accomplish their goals. I am not a hater because I have seen this movie before starring other US industries from the 1970's.

Like India and some Far East/Pacific nations? Yes, role models for aviation safety...

FlyingKat 04-08-2015 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by clearprop (Post 1858089)
Why would you want to help a repressive communist country succeed in aviation?

So I can fly a pretty Boeing jet :D

bozobigtop 04-09-2015 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1858409)
Like India and some Far East/Pacific nations? Yes, role models for aviation safety...

They will get it together when it comes to safety much like producing a better product the US produced at one time such as the automobile. May be by that time we would have figured out how to treat your customers!

JamesNoBrakes 04-09-2015 02:47 PM

Not killing people is more important than being nice.

NuGuy 04-09-2015 07:14 PM

Auburn basically had announced their program was shutting down in 2013, but somehow it got resurrected.

Purdue also has program that was in some kind of jeopardy, but unsure as to the status.

Nu

bozobigtop 04-10-2015 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1858928)
Not killing people is more important than being nice.

If that's the case then we would have a better country all the way around. You keep working on your utopia.


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