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kfahmi 03-24-2015 07:42 AM

I read Flying The Line a while back and fell asleep. Guess I'll go look at it again.

TOMM 03-24-2015 07:51 AM

There was a lawsuit in 2013 where two FA's sued Delta for not being paid while at work. I tried to find updates through the court system but never got anywhere. I assume if they had won we would have heard something by now.

Logan Flight Attendants Take on Delta Air Lines in Wage Allegations | Open Media Boston

NineGturn 03-24-2015 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Da40Pilot (Post 1848328)
Because one day you're going to be flying 2 weeks out of the month making $240/hour, with 3 sports cars and a harley in your garage.

In reality when you are making that kind of money you realize suddenly you only have five years left on your career but have no retirement savings, owe 90% on your house and are still paying off those student loans that you refinanced several times to avoid bankruptcy early in your career.

That's when you realize that leasing three cars and a motorcycle wasn't a good idea because you barely passed your last medical.

edit: I forgot to mention the alimony and child support you are paying because your ex wives weren't as patient as you.

Utah 03-24-2015 08:36 AM

OP, you seem like a smart, educated guy. The answer to your question is obvious. We get paid the way we do because we are willing to show up for what is offered.

In your case that's a guarantee of 76 hours a month at $24 an hour, -- or $1824 a month or $21,888 a year. Kind of makes you a little sick thinking about it that way. All of that education and money spent of flight training for that level of compensation.

skypilot35 03-24-2015 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1848364)
kahfmi,

Read Flying the Line, George Hopkins explains it all. National Labor Board Decision 83 is the basis for being paid 'by the hour' from a formula derived from speed and weight. This is pretty basic ALPA and industry stuff you should know.

Duty rigs came long after Decision 83 in 1936. ALPA and all the contracts since have been founded on this decision.

GF

GF I just finished FATE IS THE HUNTER. Thanks for the suggestion, it is a great book. If there is a pilot on these forums that has not read it, highly recommended. FLYING THE LINE is next.

The pay still blows regardless of the explanation.

SP35

CBreezy 03-24-2015 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1848534)
GF I just finished FATE IS THE HUNTER. Thanks for the suggestion, it is a great book. If there is a pilot on these forums that has not read it, highly recommended. FLYING THE LINE is next.

The pay still blows regardless of the explanation.

SP35

I'll pass on all aviation themed tales...especially non-fiction. There's nothing worse than hearing a pilot talk about himself

BoilerUP 03-24-2015 09:11 AM

History is stoopid, not like we can learn anything from the past anyway...

PilotCrusader 03-24-2015 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Da40Pilot (Post 1848328)
Because one day you're going to be flying 2 weeks out of the month making $240/hour, with 3 sports cars and a harley in your garage.

For every single one of these guys, I'll show you a dozen that never got there.

This is the real problem. This industry is a lot of smoke and mirrors; magic acts that never actually produce. It is what keeps suckering people into this thinking that paying your dues early will pay off in the long run, when in actuality, it is a relatively low amount of lottery winners that do.

Welcome to the industry sucker.

PilotCrusader 03-24-2015 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1848538)
I'll pass on all aviation themed tales...especially non-fiction. There's nothing worse than hearing a pilot talk about himself

(Facepalm)

CBreezy 03-24-2015 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1848542)
History is stoopid, not like we can learn anything from the past anyway...

I've studied history. I've studied aviation accidents. I've studied aviation safety. I don't find any other professional development in reading aviation non-fiction during my free time. Just like when I was in the military, I found little value in perpetually reading about every self proclaimed hero and his leadership tactics. My organizations were some of the best disciplined, best performing and highest morale units on base.


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