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Old 01-19-2007, 05:19 AM   #31  
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not really. the key here is that colgan has no jets,, so for them to get jets on the certificate would be a big deal. not saying it wont happen but i think colgan will get more props, and bigger props, and pncl will just get more jets. the difference is we have scope already saying any new flying must be done by pinnacle airlines pilots. we were smart enough to put in the last conctract that Pinnacle airlines pilots will do all present and future flying for Pinnacle INC. thats some pretty solid scope protection,,, now are they going to try and find a way around it... YOU BETCHA!!
"...the key here is that colgan has no jets..."
Big Sky doesn't have jets. We did and will again.

"...the difference is we have scope already saying any new flying
must be done by pinnacle airlines pilots..."

Mair's agreement with us was for all new flying over 19 seat was to be ours.

Smells like Mesaba and Big Sky!
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Old 01-19-2007, 05:32 AM   #32  
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ummm, how 'bout not having a non-union sister company stealing your flying for sub-par wages and undermining your every demand at each contract negotiation?

I really shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see that we both have a vested interest in not being pitted against one another.
If your talking about ALPA, dream on. ALPA is no differant than anyone else, the membership that has the most money wins. Do you really think the Pinnacle pilots will welcome Colgan pilots into the fold regardles of union affiliation? This is assuming there will ever be an issue. At this point it's all conjecture.

What should worry you most is being run by a company like Pinnacle, there is probably a good reason Pinnacle flight crews are already unionized.
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:56 AM   #33  
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theirs was actually a little different. but the same still applies, i have even heard already that grievences are already in the works. our scope says it in as plain english as it gets. any flying done for pinnacle holdings will be done by pinnacle airlines pilots.
But "Colgan" pilots, are flying for "Colgan Air". They're SEPARATE That's the difference.
BTW, does Colgan/Pinnacle have overlapping routes? THAT could get UGLY!!!
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I am being the "Devil's Advocate". This is what thje lawyers will say if this goes that far.
Separate management, Operating Cert., etc....
(More like an "investment" that buying)
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Old 01-19-2007, 07:08 AM   #36  
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I am being the "Devil's Advocate". This is what thje lawyers will say if this goes that far.
Separate management, Operating Cert., etc....
(More like an "investment" that buying)
I hear what you are saying. I would be worried too. I will let the experts on pinnacles' scope clause post what it is, I am just going off of second hand info.
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We don't have overlapping routes, the nw flying is already protected, and our planes can't do the kinds of routes that pcl does. THat's not how our saabs and 1900's make money. WE make money where the rj's can't, on the short haul stuff.
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But "Colgan" pilots, are flying for "Colgan Air". They're SEPARATE That's the difference.
BTW, does Colgan/Pinnacle have overlapping routes? THAT could get UGLY!!!
i don't think they have overlapping routes. its true that they will keep the companies seperate and not intertwine them. but some of the pilots here are upset because of the scope language. after reading some discussions i have come to the conclusion that there are going to be some major hurdles for the company to overcome by doing this.
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Considering Chuck Colgan told the Washington Post that selling the then Colgan Airways to Presidential Airways was "The biggest mistake of my life."

I'll believe it when I see it, can't listen on the conference call I'm flying. Big deal, if we get bought we get bought..hopefully we get better pay and QOL. Not to mention a chance to move into the RJ.

You just watch, if PCL buys them Chuck will be on the phone getting new airplanes to try to do it again from scratch. They have no reason to sell.
Why not quite and move to another airline that does offer more pay, better QOL, and RJ's?
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theirs was actually a little different. but the same still applies, i have even heard already that grievences are already in the works. our scope says it in as plain english as it gets. any flying done for pinnacle holdings will be done by pinnacle airlines pilots.
If that's what you need to say to convince yourself that your flying is safe. But the courts haven't exactly been very nice to unions lately. I suggest you read the TSA contract and try and determine a logical way that GoJets could've been created, because you can't.
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