Regionals hiring below minimums?
 

I keep seeing on "aviationinterviews.com" about applicants with less than the new ATP mandated minimums being offered class dates. Are the the new regs being change already?

No............

No, they may offer a class date under the stipulation that you meet the ATP or Restricted ATP mins by the time your class date comes.

ok. thanks! Is anybody seeing a possibility of the FAA relaxing the regulations in the near future?

Absolutely not.

Hopefully they double them.

If there's any hope for this profession you should really hope this never happens. I know you're anxious to get here, and we want you here too, but the raising of the flight time minimums are the best thing to ever happen to this industry.

ftorrent,

this isn't the first time that you have posted on this matter. I am currently chipping away at hours to meet mins, so you can do the same. Quit hoping for an easy ride. The 1500 rule is great thing for pilots.

i got a class date with 964, they are giving credit for sim time, alot of places are just giving offers too and not class dates

No and NO! Just plan on atp or ratp mins.

SkyWest will take you with 975, 1225, or 1475 depending on what R-ATP mins you fall under. They will interview you even before you hit RATP-25 mins if you're within 3 or 4 months of getting your time.

Nothing would surprise me at this point

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Why is it the best thing that happened again?

The only place I know that takes low time pilots is Penair. You fly the two 135 SAABs, then once you get your ATP you move over to the 121 side.

Only time will tell. If it really starts affecting the economy and makes the evening news on a regular basis, something will have to change. Either a rule change in the hours, a large increase in starting pay, or majors just giving up the regional model and acquiring them completely with a stapled pilot list.

Just wondering though, are there enough instructors / newly licensed commercial pilots to even fill the jobs if they changed it back to 500 hours ?

To the noobs...

The reason the airlines are interviewing people months before they meet mins is because they want to get you "locked in", ie comfortable with a job offer and emotionally committed to the company after passing their grueling ten minute phone interview.

I would not fall for that, but rather keep your options open. If you accept a "delayed-entry" offer and later decline they might blacklist you...I'd make sure you understand their policy/ramifications before you accept a job that you may not show up for. ESPECIALLY if the carrier is wholly-owned, and most especially WO DCI.

If you decide to decline a previously accepted job offer, be sure and give plenty of notice (two weeks at least I would think). Write them a letter, say something about "family circumstances" or something along those lines. DO NOT simply no show a class date.

Things are changing fast in the regional world... a few months from now you might be eligible for as fat signing bonus that wasn't available when you accepted an early offer.

There's no need to accept an early offer for job security...they'll rescind that offer or send you packing on day two of ground school if it's even slightly convenient for them to do so.

1. You really don't want that. So what if you have to build a little time like most other airline pilots in history had to do? The upside to the 1500 hour rule is that it will pay dividends for the remaining 40 years of your career.

2. As much as low-time CPLs and regional airline CEO's whine, there's no chance the 1500 rule will be rescinded any time soon. Congress forced the FAA to do it via legislation so only Congress can undo it...by legislation. The colgan families will never forget or forgive so I think it will decades before it can changed, unless massive, sustained disruption of air service occurs. But the airlines can always just replace three RJs with a narrow-body, cutting the crew requirement by 1/3 to carry about the same number of pax.

I would add to this that Sully Sullenberger is (deservedly) a hero in Congress' eyes and is very pro-active in opposition to any relaxation of the new law. He has a very potent voice on Capital Hill when it comes to aviation safety and walks in lock-step with the Colgan families.

And the last thing any Congressman/woman wants is Sully Sullenberger explaining to a news outlet why he/she is thoughtless and wrongheaded about the public's safety.

Forget about changing the law. Ain't happening.

And that's a wonderful thing. Maybe the best thing to happen for the pilot groups in decades.

Spot on.

It's simple economics. Fewer pilots + increased demand for pilots = higher pay

Anyone interviewing early for the Regionals is playing right into mgmt's hands. Don't do it.

Hold out. Wait until you're ready to go to work for them right away. Doing so puts MORE pressure on Co. mgmt to increase pay & signing bonuses sooner rather than later.

(Assuming, of course, there actually IS a "pilot shortage". YMMV)

Perhaps you are right and I am just looking at it the wrong way

They can accept the "delayed-entry" offer and continue trying to get hired at other places. And when the time comes, pick the place that best suits them. The advice you give about giving notice is true of anyone who has multiple job offers.

@rickair7777 Amen! So true! I interviewed almost 10 yrs ago when airlines could cherry pick the cream of the crop. I can't believe the hiring climate now. It's amazing!


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Let's hope more articles like this circulate:

It's Truly Terrifying That Some Pilots Earn Near Minimum Wage
Emily Cohn
The Huffington Post Posted: 02/12/14 04:04 PM ET Updated: 02/12/14 04:59 PM ET
The next time you're flying in an airplane consider this: The person operating the aircraft might not be making much more than the person who made the Egg McMuffin you ate for breakfast.

That's right. According to the Wall Street Journal, new airline pilots rank among the lowest-paid workers in the country, with some regional pilots earning as little as $15,000 per year.

That's horrifying for a number of obvious reasons. For one, $15,000 -- or even $22,400 a year, the starting salary for pilots at 14 regional airlines -- is lower than the federal poverty line for a family of four in the U.S.

It's also startling because of the extraordinary price of becoming a pilot in the first place. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, airline pilots usually need a bachelor's degree, a pilot's license, and certification that requires hundreds of hours of flight training. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, the cost of training flights alone can set you back more than $100,000.

No wonder there's a shortage of pilots.

Finances aside, earning poverty wages can be detrimental to your health. For instance:

Poverty may lead lead to chronic stress, which can cause memory loss
People living below the poverty line are more at risk of sleep disorders, like insomnia and sleep apnea
People in poverty are more at risk of developing an addiction or substance abuse problem
Lifelong poverty increases the risk of heart disease
Consider this the next time you're flying on a small regional airline.




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[QUOTE=flyinjgirl;1854227]Let's hope more articles like this circulate:

It's Truly Terrifying That Some Pilots Earn Near Minimum Wage
Emily Cohn
The Huffington Post Posted: 02/12/14 04:04 PM ET Updated: 02/12/14 04:59 PM ET
The next time you're flying in an airplane consider this: The person operating the aircraft might not be making much more than the person who made the Egg McMuffin you ate for breakfast.

That's right. According to the Wall Street Journal, new airline pilots rank among the lowest-paid workers in the country, with some regional pilots earning as little as $15,000 per year. ]

And you know that McDonald's is now paying $10/hr to their employees. Announced today (and not an April Fools Day Joke)

Girl - I wish I has $1 for the look on every non-pilot's face when I told them what Regional FO's make.

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15K?!? did you go there because of quick upgrades or a shinny new jet?

We get minimum 33K 1st year at PDT (including bonus), assuming all reserve pay.

Plus family insurance coverage, etc..

Hmmmm.

What do you think most industries pay a new hire for a job that (now) requires BOTH a 4 yr degree + $100k in licensing/experience?

$33k sucks. $50k would suck. Relatively speaking.

So true. My husband's company has an onsite gym with a personal trainer and showers which have any toiletries you'd want including sunscreen and toothbrushes!! A nurse who you can go to anytime if you feel sick and they give flu shots on site. He has a 4 yr degree. I was slept on a disgusting couch in the crew lounge with about 10 other crewmembers, including captains, to catch a 6 am commute flight home because I couldn't afford a hotel. We are suckers. It's all about the dangling carrot in front of us. My dad earned $800 a month in 1976 to fly 737's. In 40 years that has barely doubled. Seems wrong.


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33k is still a freaking joke for an airline pilot!

33K is a joke, but it's double this tragic number everybody loves to refer to.

Anything bellow 100K is probably not reasonable. But for the lower ranks to make that kind of $$, the longevity pay would have to be lower.. in the regionals, at least.

The B scale was created by the Major Unions.. and the clearest example is 1st year pay in the majors is even more silly than regional pay.

Anyone who can't spell "shiny" or "below" shouldn't expect to make any more than poverty wages anyway. Just sayin.

So if I accepted a class date a month ago, and decided to go with another regional that hires me later, and I give the original regional a 30 day notice that I have chosen to go elsewhere, that can get you blacklisted?

Coming from the guy who was hired over the phone at the airline who hires the otherwise unhireable. Got it bruh. Take a knee and log off da interwebz.

Get ready bruh, prepare to be blackballed. God speed my friend.