Colgan Air/Pinnacle AKA Go Jets/TSA
 

Any one else see a similar situation developing between pinnacle and colgan! I just dont see why else an RJ carrier would want to buy a turbo prop regional who is non unionised and known for low/poor pay.

Any thoughts

dont even try to compare colgan pilots to gojet pilots. go jet pilots went to work for a new company KNOWING that they were hurting tsa pilots. Colgan pilots have no say in this, and neither do the PCL pilots. This is all skywest/asa. And look at the payscales, they aren't that far apart for flying 2 different types of planes and routes.

I would not compare Colgan pilots to BlowJet pilots at all. However, things could get interesting should PCL start moving RJ's over to Colgan. I'd be curious to see how the two pilot groups react. Somehow though I don't see a RJ flying from SYR to ROC...but stranger things have happened. I'm a firm believer that one company means one union with one contract and one seniority list (i.e. Shupublicqua). An ideal world would have PCL pull Colgan into their Union and on to their seniority list...but i can see both sides being kind of bitter about mergering seniority's. But considering this all got announced 20 minutes ago and I have nothing to do with either company...I'm pretty much just talking out of my @ss. Sorry to waste most of your time :D (I'm bored).

AMEN! The most dissappointing thing to me about the announcement is that they don't plan on merging the seniority. I strongly feel if we're going to be owned by the same company, we need to have one seniority list, one union, one pay chart, etc, in order to avoid the ASA/Skywest Blojet/TSA play one against the other BS that is likely to otherwise happen.

So what's it take to get union cards to pass around at Colgan? ;)

THIS IS WAY DIFFERENT PEOPLE!!! like you said there is no comparason,, you guys need a union vote now! if you dont get one you will become our whipsaw!!

Lets get a union vote going come on!!!

I'm all for it! Seriously, if you have ALPA guys that want to get it going, send me a PM and we'll talk.

Colgan needs a union now! But pcl cant give em jets b/c they are owned by NWA... but pcl can give colgan the saabs.

interesting to see what the domiciles will be if Colgan will keep the original or go DTW,MSP, MEM

as far as i know they cant. part of the agreement with nwa is we aren't allowed to fly into msp, dtw, or mem with another airline. now the tricky part will be if they consider colgan pinnacle, or still a totally seperate airline. but as of now we can not fly airplanes into msp, dtw, or mem for another airline

This is not Skywest-ASA. Skywest had no union and as such no scope protection. That deal is being used to break down the union at ASA. In this case 9E has scope protection and management must fight to break it. Their weapons in the fight are the backs of the Colgan guys and gals.

Thats the point, colgan doesnt have a union either

Yet.........

the thing is that wont matter to much now. I am sure they will be union soon, but we have scope clause in our contract for this. I have even heard it said that pinnacle pilots now own all of the colgan flying and routes. now what that means is two different things. First i think the seniority lists would have to be intergrated somehow, and second there will probably be seat locks for a while till they can figure out the hiring situation. Just remember in our scope it says that any flying, present and future for pinnacle inc, will be done by pinnacle airlines pilots. so we will just have to see how this spins out.

Well, the FAQ they published to us very specifically says the each companies' routes still belong to that company and that one won't be flying the other's routes.

The question is, can Pinnacle CORP bid on new flying under Colgan name without violating that scope? And an even bigger question, when they DO bid for flying under Colgan, will PCL's ALPA have more balls and do something about it, or will they do nothing like TSA?

One company, one union, problem solved.

I would think for now, any flying bid for under "Colgan", is legal, and not in violation of scope. That's why they are keeping them SEPARATE. (I love that word).