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CBreezy 04-24-2015 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 1867820)
This. As long as fares are cheap, Joe Public is happy and so is Congress. I hate to say it, but with the exception of 9/11 most people see an air tragedy on the news, think to themselves, "That's too bad," then go on about their day. Pilot pay never even enters into their thought process. And if it did, it's not like they'd call their Senator and say, "You know, we should really look into a minimum wage for pilots." As long as the RAA can say some Delta pilots make $200k, Joe Public will probably just get the impression we're greedy for wanting more. Just yesterday Joe Public couldn't even understand that I wasn't a U.S. Airways pilot since that's what was painted on the plane.

I think our only real shot at meaningful change is getting out of the Railway Labor Act. But Joe Public and Congress would hate that because fares would go up.

How about Congress mandating that all code share airlines have their own paint scheme and not that of their major partners.

PilotCrusader 04-24-2015 08:11 AM

If it was 15 years ago, most of you wouldn't survive in planes without GPS, TCAS, and an advanced ATC system.

tom11011 04-24-2015 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1867830)
How about Congress mandating that all code share airlines have their own paint scheme and not that of their major partners.

For what purpose? You can already see who you are going to be flying on and the type of equipment when you buy your tickets. You are assuming people look out the window when they are at the airport.

CBreezy 04-24-2015 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1867833)
For what purpose? You can already see who you are going to be flying on and the type of equipment when you buy your tickets. You are assuming people look out the window when they are at the airport.

What would it hurt? Don't think people wouldn't start noticing they aren't on a mainline airplane. Do you think anyone looks at or understands what operated by means? It's a United flight number painted in United colors. Every single person I talk to thinks that if says United on the side it's owned and operated by United.

knobcrk 04-24-2015 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1867832)
If it was 15 years ago, most of you wouldn't survive in planes without GPS, TCAS, and an advanced ATC system.

And you wouldn't survive in the Dark Ages too, probably died as soon as you were born. Your point?

CBreezy 04-24-2015 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by knobcrk (Post 1867851)
And you wouldn't survive in the Dark Ages too, probably died as soon as you were born. Your point?

If I had a dollar for every time I watched an old school pilot program the FMS wrong or yell at the iPad or get mad at the computer, I'd be rich.

NineGturn 04-24-2015 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1867850)
... It's a United flight number painted in United colors. Every single person I talk to thinks that if says United on the side it's owned and operated by United.

Don't forget that in many cases it actually is a United jet which is owned or leased by United and simply operated by the regional affiliate. United even owns the slots, the gates, sells the tickets and publishes the fancy magazine in the seat back pocket. United creates and owns the logo on the side of the plane and directly profits from the passengers it flies.

The only thing that's not United is the crews and usually the ground handling personnel...and of course the certificate. This is the very definition of union busting outsourced labor. The bizarre thing is that the unions sanctioned it and allowed it...the very thing unions are supposed to prevent.

Clearly we've come to the point where unions now work for management and not for the workers they supposedly represent. So when are pilots going to wake up and stop voting in these unions....{cough}** Jet**{cough}**blue!!

skypilot35 04-24-2015 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by NineGturn (Post 1867930)
Don't forget that in many cases it actually is a United jet which is owned or leased by United and simply operated by the regional affiliate. United even owns the slots, the gates, sells the tickets and publishes the fancy magazine in the seat back pocket. United creates and owns the logo on the side of the plane and directly profits from the passengers it flies.

The only thing that's not United is the crews and usually the ground handling personnel...and of course the certificate. This is the very definition of union busting outsourced labor. The bizarre thing is that the unions sanctioned it and allowed it...the very thing unions are supposed to prevent.

Clearly we've come to the point where unions now work for management and not for the workers they supposedly represent. So when are pilots going to wake up and stop voting in these unions....{cough}** Jet**{cough}**blue!!

A union at a major is a necessity. Corporate greed inundates all of our society and the mainline airline industry is no exception. This is one of the few occupations that mandate the protections offered by a union. Otherwise all those 777 captains would be flying for CRJ rates.

I do agree with you about the outsourcing. It should have not happened, but at the time in meant more money in the pockets of pilots who I am sure are mostly retired with a huge pension. They got what they needed out of the deal though....right :rolleyes:.

tom11011 04-24-2015 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by NineGturn (Post 1867930)
Don't forget that in many cases it actually is a United jet which is owned or leased by United and simply operated by the regional affiliate. United even owns the slots, the gates, sells the tickets and publishes the fancy magazine in the seat back pocket. United creates and owns the logo on the side of the plane and directly profits from the passengers it flies.

The only thing that's not United is the crews and usually the ground handling personnel...and of course the certificate. This is the very definition of union busting outsourced labor. The bizarre thing is that the unions sanctioned it and allowed it...the very thing unions are supposed to prevent.

Clearly we've come to the point where unions now work for management and not for the workers they supposedly represent. So when are pilots going to wake up and stop voting in these unions....{cough}** Jet**{cough}**blue!!

It's likely that JB pilots want alpa integration protections if they merge with another alpa carrier.

skypilot35 04-24-2015 10:38 AM

....like Virgin who also just voted in a union for very similar purposes.


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