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Al Czervik 04-30-2015 07:44 AM

Would you quit with age 68?
 
Hearing grumblings of the age limit raised to 68. How many RJ guys would throw in the towel?

Chupacabras 04-30-2015 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1871374)
Hearing grumblings of the age limit raised to 68. How many RJ guys would throw in the towel?

Where did you hear this? Do you have a credible source on the Hill?

ClickClickBoom 04-30-2015 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Chupacabras (Post 1871382)
Where did you hear this? Do you have a credible source on the Hill?

ALPA has been bouncing this one for a couple of years. If it does go into effect it will be the pilot shortage, candle on the cake. Problem is, 58 years is problematic , finding more than a few guys to go to 68 will be almost impossible. It is the industry just kicking the can down the road until they can get monkeys certified for the right seat, because the guys who can fog a mirror cost more than bananas.

el jefe 04-30-2015 09:24 AM

Doesn't matter, I'll just go to PSA for the quick upgrade.

Al Czervik 04-30-2015 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Chupacabras (Post 1871382)
Where did you hear this? Do you have a credible source on the Hill?

Total rumor at this point. It DID NOT make my day even to hear this though.

GrassLandings 04-30-2015 11:33 AM

Will I still fly? Sure.
Are there really that many pilots willing and able to fly for an airline until 68? I know I want out sooner than that, even though I love my job.

CBreezy 04-30-2015 11:41 AM

I worry, without cause ,about them raising the retirement age to 90. Who's with me?!

bedrock 04-30-2015 11:41 AM

Have you considered going to an aviation program offered by a community college? You can learn to fly and get college credit and get the college general requirements out of the way. So in the future, you'll just need to study for major. Check out aopa flight training on line, they have a directory of schools.

Snuffaluffagus 04-30-2015 12:06 PM

I won't make it to 65 in this gig let alone 68. Have you flown with a 64 year old? I did and I was baby sitting the whole time. Almost went down the wrong taxi way and I caught it. Dialed in wrong altitudes. Then gave me hell for joining a LOC outside the FAF on green needles instead of pink needles.

Bellanca 04-30-2015 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by GrassLandings (Post 1871540)
Will I still fly? Sure.
Are there really that many pilots willing and able to fly for an airline until 68? I know I want out sooner than that, even though I love my job.

That's what people said about age 65. And then look what happened, only a handful of pilots left the majors each year between 2008 and 2013. My guess with age 68 most pilots will try to hang on for three more years, some will medical out a few will just be ready to retire, but the majority will hold on and get special issuance medicals if they need to. Why leave when you're at the top of the pay-scale and seniority, flying the plane and the routes you want???

FaceBiten 04-30-2015 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Bellanca (Post 1871571)
That's what people said about age 65. And then look what happened, only a handful of pilots left the majors each year between 2008 and 2013. My guess with age 68 most pilots will try to hang on for three more years, some will medical out a few will just be ready to retire, but the majority will hold on and get special issuance medicals if they need to. Why leave when you're at the top of the pay-scale and seniority, flying the plane and the routes you want???

I'd rather spend my late 60s enjoying what little decent life I have left. I'd rather not go straight from the airlines to the retirement home.

clearprop 04-30-2015 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by HappyCrew (Post 1871544)
***************!

Were you dropped on your head by a FA when you were young? You really seem to love them!

sailingfun 04-30-2015 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1871444)
ALPA has been bouncing this one for a couple of years. If it does go into effect it will be the pilot shortage, candle on the cake. Problem is, 58 years is problematic , finding more than a few guys to go to 68 will be almost impossible. It is the industry just kicking the can down the road until they can get monkeys certified for the right seat, because the guys who can fog a mirror cost more than bananas.

ALPA has not been bouncing this around at all. They have not considered or even looked at it. No one at the FAA, government or ICOA is discussing it. The rumors are all from forums.

Al Czervik 04-30-2015 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1871598)
ALPA has not been bouncing this around at all. They have not considered or even looked at it. No one at the FAA, government or ICOA is discussing it. The rumors are all from forums.

Sailing,
Thanks.. That's good to hear. Ignorant on this one. Must this go through the normal channels of NPRM?

Packrat 04-30-2015 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1871656)
Sailing,
Thanks.. That's good to hear. Ignorant on this one. Must this go through the normal channels of NPRM?

Nope. Age 65 didn't. Just slam, bam through Congress. Thank you, M'am!

Al Czervik 04-30-2015 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1871659)
Nope. Age 65 didn't. Just slam, bam through Congress. Thank you, M'am!

Thanks. Couldn't remember. CRS.

Packrat 04-30-2015 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by clearprop (Post 1871596)
Were you dropped on your head by a FA when you were young? You really seem to love them!

He's just trying to get someone's goat. Either that or to notice him. Hard to say. I still think he got burned by an F/A somewhere along the line.

He seems to like his women like his coffee....cold and bitter.

GreatBigSea 04-30-2015 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiten (Post 1871579)
I'd rather spend my late 60s enjoying what little decent life I have left. I'd rather not go straight from the airlines to the retirement home.

I think you'd be an outlier. From talking to mainline guys on the 60-65 change, most started out saying they'd still retire at 60, but it was hard to pass up that paycheck when they were only working 9-12 days a month.

That being said, I'm totally with you.

GoHomeLeg 04-30-2015 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by GreatBigSea (Post 1871676)
I think you'd be an outlier. From talking to mainline guys on the 60-65 change, most started out saying they'd still retire at 60, but it was hard to pass up that paycheck when they were only working 9-12 days a month.

That being said, I'm totally with you.

The second I can retire and sustain my standard of living I will be done. With the huge pile of debt I'm sitting on that will be tough. However I still have 36 years until 65 so I have a little time to get it worked out. Personally, I'm shooting for 55.

Even when your working 9 to 12 days a month you're still working. Still away from home. Still subject to the whims of whatever company you work for.

GreatBigSea 04-30-2015 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg (Post 1871700)
The second I can retire and sustain my standard of living I will be done. With the huge pile of debt I'm sitting on that will be tough. However I still have 36 years until 65 so I have a little time to get it worked out. Personally, I'm shooting for 55.

Even when your working 9 to 12 days a month you're still working. Still away from home. Still subject to the whims of whatever company you work for.

Again, I think you're going to be an exception to the rule. Don't forget the stagnation that happened in the industry after 60 turned to 65. Enough pilots chose to stay for 5 more years that there were minimal retirements. I suppose the majority of them had pensions ripped away and are still playing catchup so they can survive after retirement, but most the ones i've talked to are hanging on because its a cake job and you're making oodles of cash flying wide bodies across the pond.

Plus when you retire you have to see the wife/husband everyday :p

Bozo the pilot 04-30-2015 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Bellanca (Post 1871571)
That's what people said about age 65. And then look what happened, only a handful of pilots left the majors each year between 2008 and 2013. My guess with age 68 most pilots will try to hang on for three more years, some will medical out a few will just be ready to retire, but the majority will hold on and get special issuance medicals if they need to. Why leave when you're at the top of the pay-scale and seniority, flying the plane and the routes you want???

^^^ This is spot on ^^^ At 300K, if you can sit, you'll do it for another million before the grave.

flynavyj 04-30-2015 07:29 PM

Haven't met any 60-65 year old guys who've been forced out due to retirement age that aren't still bitter about it. The argument of course is "you knew what age you had to retire when you took the job" but that doesn't stop the complaining.

This was true for college instructors I knew who were former Braniff, TWA, American, etc...and even recently I ran into major airline pilots who are now retired, and are clawing for the feds to change the mandatory retirement age so they could do SOMETHING involving a 121 cockpit again.

One such argument I heard, was having retired guys sit as ACMs in the jumpseat to keep the flight deck safe from "rouge pilots" following the German Wings crash...because the 65+ year old ex-pilot is more intimidating than the battle axe flight attendant....yeh, ok.

mjpilot 04-30-2015 08:24 PM

Japan raises age limit for commercial pilots to 67 amid drastic shortage RT News

Japan has lifted the age limit for commercial pilots to 67, in response to a drastic shortage of aircraft commanders in Asia. The move will result in Japan having the oldest pilots in the world.

ClickClickBoom 04-30-2015 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1871598)
ALPA has not been bouncing this around at all. They have not considered or even looked at it. No one at the FAA, government or ICOA is discussing it. The rumors are all from forums.

Call Rhino at ALPA Hdq, he asked me what I thought. Ask anyone who Rhino is they will shoot you over to him. Ron is his first name BTW.

80ktsClamp 04-30-2015 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1871902)
Call Rhino at ALPA Hdq, he asked me what I thought. Ask anyone who Rhino is they will shoot you over to him. Ron is his first name BTW.

That doesn't change the fact that it is not even on the horizon at ICAO, and even farther out the US feds.

Bellanca 04-30-2015 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiten (Post 1871579)
I'd rather spend my late 60s enjoying what little decent life I have left. I'd rather not go straight from the airlines to the retirement home.

That's what a lot of people said the first time around, but when it came down to it a lot of guys found walking away from flying was a lot easier said than done.

Packrat 05-01-2015 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by GreatBigSea (Post 1871738)
Plus when you retire you have to see the wife/husband everyday :p

And SHE has to see YOU!


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 1871865)
Haven't met any 60-65 year old guys who've been forced out due to retirement age that aren't still bitter about it. The argument of course is "you knew what age you had to retire when you took the job" but that doesn't stop the complaining.

Its amazing how much you miss it once you're done. Enough to find a Part 135/91 flying job instead of hanging out with the 80 year old dudes at the golf course.


Originally Posted by Bellanca (Post 1871909)
That's what a lot of people said the first time around, but when it came down to it a lot of guys found walking away from flying was a lot easier said than done.

Way easier...Especially when you look up, see the contrails and wish you were there.

YAKflyer 05-01-2015 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Snuffaluffagus (Post 1871563)
I won't make it to 65 in this gig let alone 68. Have you flown with a 64 year old? I did and I was baby sitting the whole time. Almost went down the wrong taxi way and I caught it. Dialed in wrong altitudes. Then gave me hell for joining a LOC outside the FAF on green needles instead of pink needles.

Your example is about a specific individual. IMO he probably has been like that since he was 45.


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