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05-15-2015, 03:08 PM

#21

Sturbmaster

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Originally Posted by Farmlover

Heard a big vacancy coming out today as well. Upgrades!!

45 upgrades. Haters gonna hate

05-15-2015, 03:54 PM

#22

Bartok

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Originally Posted by RightSide

I haven't seen anything in my account and don't see a paystub online for my bonus. Just my normal check....

I haven't got the deposit yet, but the bonus is in the paystubs.

05-15-2015, 04:00 PM

#23

Is offline

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Originally Posted by Sturbmaster

45 upgrades. Haters gonna hate

Wow a whole 45 upgrades! How many downgrades are still left to upgrade before a new captain upgrades? No one hates, but don't be stupid. Truth is a 5 year FO is still reserve in DTW.

05-15-2015, 04:16 PM

#24

Farmlover

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Originally Posted by Is offline

Wow a whole 45 upgrades! How many downgrades are still left to upgrade before a new captain upgrades? No one hates, but don't be stupid. Truth is a 5 year FO is still reserve in DTW.

That's 80 upgrades total on the last to vacancies. Things are moving. New hires will be off of rsv very quick.

05-15-2015, 04:32 PM

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Ray Red

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So, with two vacancies about 13% of the FO's will upgrade. I would say that is pretty good movement.

05-15-2015, 05:24 PM

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Avroman

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Originally Posted by Ray Red

So, with two vacancies about 13% of the FO's will upgrade. I would say that is pretty good movement.

More like 3% while about 10% of downgraded captains move back to the left seat, but yes it's far better than it had been going. Considering several of the downgraded FO's were captains that got to do the SSP before downgrade and are sitting on a job offer, they have less incentive to risk another long term training event here and would be wise to pass on reupgrade and focus on that Delta class date.

05-15-2015, 05:30 PM

#27

Ray Red

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Originally Posted by Avroman

It will be interesting to see how junior it goes. There is a building list of senior FO's with CJO's. It that were me, I would just hang out for 1.5-2 years with a good schedule and a retention bonus rather than deal with an upgrade and reserve lifestyle.

05-15-2015, 05:52 PM

#28

Farmlover

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5yr rsv is only due to no hiring for many yrs.
With 100 plus moving to delta this this year and 180 moving next the movement is coming faster soon. This vacancy upgrades most of the downgrade guys. If not all. It's good news here and good news for new guys.

05-15-2015, 07:21 PM

#29

SmitteyB

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Originally Posted by Farmlover

All 200 upgrades go to pre-merger 9E pilots. So you may see first time upgrades as early as the next bid.

05-15-2015, 08:14 PM

#30

Avroman

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Originally Posted by SmitteyB

All 200 upgrades go to pre-merger 9E pilots. So you may see first time upgrades as early as the next bid.

Negative.... 5 to 1, Pinnacle to Mesaba on the 200. There will be at least a few Mesaba captain names for the 200. (I see no conceivable way for any Colgan pilots to go back to 200 Captain) As for the 900, only Mesaba is under quota. The question is by how much? I see Mesaba filling the quota then most of the rest going to Colgan, unless those now very senior FO's with pay protection are content to sit FO til their Delta (or wherever ) class date.