Work two jobs at once?
 

I know lots of regional pilots work side jobs to increase their income, but is it at all possible to work a flight job on your days off for extra income? For example moonlighting as an instructor or tour pilot? Just curious how this works. I have heard that the airline owns your monthly flight time via their contract, and flying on the side can get you in trouble. How about some work as a substitute ground instructor at a local school?

Any "For-Hire" flying will need to be cleared with/ reported to your company via whatever procedures they have, as it can affect your availability because flight time/duty limits/rest requirements. The contract most likely has nothing to do with it, the company policies in the FOM and FAR 117 would.

Only flying in an aircraft would count against the company time. SIM instruction or teaching ground school should be ok.

I'm sure some guys instruct and don't log the time. Not saying that's legal or something you should do.

Don't see why I wouldn't be able to give a BFR once and a while to someone. Just clear it with your Chief first.

The old definition was commercial flying was counted against FAR121 limits. With 117, it no longer applies to all commercial and only adds up with 91K, 135, or 121 hours. Your company might have a more strict policy or a holdover in the FOM from before 117.

Under 117, instructing no longer counts towards the cumulative limit. I'd read the FOM and get it cleared by the CP though. It would be awkward to have to explain why you have an LOI against you for something that happened on your off days if you didn't clear it before hand.

Anyone have a specific reference under 117 that discusses instruction in particular? I don't know if this will even become a thing, but if it seemed likely I'd like my discussion with the chief to be an educated one.

Take a look at the applicability part at the beginning. Just stress that it won't interfere with your airline work. That's the main thing they're worried about.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf

I think this will help.

Many of us work 2 jobs. Check it out, money/benefits are good, fly as much as you want, your airline can't say anything about it. Air National Guard.

Lmao, I had a CA say that 117 did include flight training because it was commercial flying even after reading the applicability section of 117. Basically told me I was an idiot for thinking that and there's no way it wouldn't count. Wish that interpretation was out by then.

Doesn't necessarily need to be flying. I now turn wrenches on Hondas on my days off

Did he really say you were an idiot? How did he word it? I would be hurt and angry for sure.

Double post

Don't vote in crap contracts with crap pay and you won't have to work two jobs...I don't need to work two jobs at AWAC as an FO...but then again because of the bottom feeders racing to fly shiny new heavy 700/900's for concessionary contracts I probably won't have a job in 2 years.

Guess I am the only who see's the question as absolutely embarrassing, degrading, and utterly ridiculous it has to be asked...oh well, ho hum.:cool:

Agreed. You won't have a job in two years.

You're a classless idiot.

You love to fan the PSA hate flames huh? Do you gloat to Eagle pilot's faces when you ride their jumpseat?

91 time doesn't apply to 121 time, but still be aware of rest requirements. You can fly up to 117 limits and then fly for hire part 91 without rest, but you have to consider the full FDP if you fly 91 first and then do a flight under 117. That really hasn't changed from pre-117.

Good luck! Most regionals are so short staffed you'll be hitting your 1000 hours per year with only ONE job.

Thanks for all the replies guys, I sincerely appreciate it. I know...it sucks that this question has to be asked, but it's the world that up and coming guys like myself have to deal with; we didn't create it, but still have to live in it. Again, thanks for all of the insight.

I work charter and I think I'm going to do uber on my days off

Maybe not directly on point to this thread but with a bit a twist. I already have a non-aviation job that allows me to be highly flexible and I can work on the road during down times. I flew for a 91 flight department for 12 years doing this until 2013. I fly for the enjoyment and dont financially need the job...I just want to do it.
I have been offered a job with a regional and I am wondering if maintaining my "real job" and flying for a Regional is possible. I can do about 4 days on the road before things start getting backed up in my real job. I am unfamiliar with the 121 world. So, What I am asking is whether scheduling within the 121 world allows for down time such that I can do my other work remotely. Are there others out there doing this? What kind of latent problems are there to this sort of arrangement? Thanks in advance.

This is not meant to be harsh or demeaning, but I will point it out. Flying for any airline is not a hobby. It is not something to do to cross off the bucket list. If you are going to be thinking about all the problems you are dealing with at your "real job" while in the cockpit, you are no help to the captain and a liability to the airline. We have enough people that chose the profession for the wrong reason. Nobody wants to fly with them and we can't wait for them to leave. This needs to be your main real job and you can have a gig like turning wrenches or selling houses on the side. If this came across as harsh, I am sorry. We just don't need any more guys that said "I just wanted to try this airline pilot thing out for a while".

I have a full time flying job with a defense contractor, but since the monthly flight hours are so low I also fly Part 91 corporate and flight instruct on the side. They are on a not to interfere basis. I do all this and still don't clear more than 40 hours per month.

Having said that, if and when my full time job becomes an airline, whole different scenario. I think if you are a line holder flying 80+ per month it's just not possible or even advisable.

There is no way you could keep a full time non-flying job and fly regional. We had a pilot at my company try that. He was always disapperaing to fly for his regional job at the wrong time. He almost got fired for it and so he eventually just had to quit his regional gig and stayed on as a full time engineer last I heard.

This X1000! You guys are airline pilots remember? Under no circumstances should anyone be working two jobs to get by. FO pay should be 40 grand bare minimum. Fight for it, you're professionals!

I was in the same situation and I gave it a try - working for a regional and kept my full time job. I had to go to part time for about 6-8 months for training and to gain some seniority which allowed me to get creative with scheduling. The first month of class expect to have no time other than studying. I'm back to 4 days per week at my other job and still full time at my regional. Yes, it can be done. If you work at making your schedule what you want you can average 19 days off.

If your employer is truly flexible this job can give you plenty of time off if you get creative with scheduling. If you're able to live in base (and better - if your base is junior at your company) its obtainable.

Back when I asked the question I was on the outside looking in; as a flight instructor I didn't know what the life of an airline pilot was really like. Now I am flying full-time with a regional and the most I can fathom would be sweeping popcorn at the theatre down the street like once a week. I get it now how important the rest time is, and more importantly the family time. I don't want to miss out on spending time with the wife and kids during the few hours I actually have at home.

Airline flying is the easiest and least time consuming job I've ever had. It would be very easy to do additional work on overnights and on days off.

Why would you fly for a second job? Say you ball up an aircraft instructing. Now you lost your ticket AND your Regional gig. Why risk your full time job doing a part time job? Go bartend or work a part time line gig somewhere instead.

Actually, it can be. I knew a TWA/AA pilot who was an oral surgeon first, airline pilot second. When at TWA, he said he would drop most trips and only fly a few days a month. Not sure how it worked out for him at AA.

Assuming your boss is cool with you putting their schedule second when it comes to coming in to the office and you working from a hotel room in DSM at 2330-0400 local! :cool: Don;t forgot you will be out of phone and email contact randomly for 30-100 hours a week...

No boss problem, but why out of phone and email contact randomly for 30-100 hours a week???