Envoy to keep CRJs longer
06-05-2015, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
He needs to go to art school then. Obvious troll is obvious.
I cannot speak for others but I have not given ANYTHING like that tool has. I have been contemplating playing the troll game with him though. I mean if we all want it to just get downright ugly on here, I can certainly make that happen.
I cannot speak for others but I have not given ANYTHING like that tool has. I have been contemplating playing the troll game with him though. I mean if we all want it to just get downright ugly on here, I can certainly make that happen.
He was wishing for downgrades/furloughs/demise of envoy. You guys wished the same crap on us, for a lot longer. However, on top of that your group continually used personal insults in your rants. I specifically seem to remember such terms as "pomeranians," "slave ship owners," and of course the less colorful ones like scumbags, brown streak, bend over and take it etc etc.
Anyway, hopefully the 2 extra months of CRJs can buy you some upgrades.
06-05-2015, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
More CRJ flying to be retained
Envoy to Retain More Bombardier CRJ-700 Flying
Dear Envoy team –
I’m pleased to report that Envoy pilot staffing has steadily improved in recent months, enabling us to operate more of the flying American Airlines asks us to perform. As a result, we’ll continue to operate some of our aircraft longer than previously announced and the rate at which we transfer aircraft from Envoy to PSA will decrease.
In recent months, it has become apparent that an increasing number of Envoy pilots are choosing to stay on the Envoy team and enjoy a direct career path to American. Envoy’s agreement with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which represents our pilots, provides industry leading "flow-through" rights to American for all existing and new hire Envoy pilots. In addition, AAG has made a substantial investment, placing 40 new 76-seat Embraer 175 (E175) jets in the Envoy fleet, with options for up to 90 more. Envoy is hiring new pilots and welcoming back pilots returning from leaves of absence. Lower attrition and increased hiring mean that Envoy is steadily building our capability to fly more aircraft than previously forecast.
Specifically, American has informed me that the transfer of the Bombardier CRJ-700 aircraft from Envoy to PSA will be slower than initially planned. We will now transfer 12 instead of 18 CRJ-700s to PSA during 2015. Envoy will continue to fly the remaining fleet of 35 CRJ-700s until transfers to PSA are expected to resume in the second half of 2016.
All of this is great news for the Envoy team. For our pilots, this means that we will be posting additional CRJ Captain vacancies in the Chicago domicile and will offer more Captain positions in the large RJ pay range. For flight attendants, this means substantially more two-person aircraft will be in service and we will resume new hire classes this fall. For our mechanics, this means that we will have more planes to work on, preserving jobs.
Across Envoy, there is a tremendous amount of work being done to prepare for our upcoming fleet renewal and ensure a smooth introduction of the E175 later this year. The initial groups of pilots have been trained and many of the training, manuals, and procedures are in final development to become the first American Eagle carrier to offer this enhanced two-class E175 service to American’s customers from DFW.
Thank you for all you do – for our customers and each other.
Pedro Fábregas
Envoy to Retain More Bombardier CRJ-700 Flying
Dear Envoy team –
I’m pleased to report that Envoy pilot staffing has steadily improved in recent months, enabling us to operate more of the flying American Airlines asks us to perform. As a result, we’ll continue to operate some of our aircraft longer than previously announced and the rate at which we transfer aircraft from Envoy to PSA will decrease.
In recent months, it has become apparent that an increasing number of Envoy pilots are choosing to stay on the Envoy team and enjoy a direct career path to American. Envoy’s agreement with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which represents our pilots, provides industry leading "flow-through" rights to American for all existing and new hire Envoy pilots. In addition, AAG has made a substantial investment, placing 40 new 76-seat Embraer 175 (E175) jets in the Envoy fleet, with options for up to 90 more. Envoy is hiring new pilots and welcoming back pilots returning from leaves of absence. Lower attrition and increased hiring mean that Envoy is steadily building our capability to fly more aircraft than previously forecast.
Specifically, American has informed me that the transfer of the Bombardier CRJ-700 aircraft from Envoy to PSA will be slower than initially planned. We will now transfer 12 instead of 18 CRJ-700s to PSA during 2015. Envoy will continue to fly the remaining fleet of 35 CRJ-700s until transfers to PSA are expected to resume in the second half of 2016.
All of this is great news for the Envoy team. For our pilots, this means that we will be posting additional CRJ Captain vacancies in the Chicago domicile and will offer more Captain positions in the large RJ pay range. For flight attendants, this means substantially more two-person aircraft will be in service and we will resume new hire classes this fall. For our mechanics, this means that we will have more planes to work on, preserving jobs.
Across Envoy, there is a tremendous amount of work being done to prepare for our upcoming fleet renewal and ensure a smooth introduction of the E175 later this year. The initial groups of pilots have been trained and many of the training, manuals, and procedures are in final development to become the first American Eagle carrier to offer this enhanced two-class E175 service to American’s customers from DFW.
Thank you for all you do – for our customers and each other.
Pedro Fábregas
06-05-2015, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
I beg to differ.....Of course
He was wishing for downgrades/furloughs/demise of envoy. You guys wished the same crap on us, for a lot longer. However, on top of that your group continually used personal insults in your rants. I specifically seem to remember such terms as "pomeranians," "slave ship owners," and of course the less colorful ones like scumbags, brown streak, bend over and take it etc etc.
Anyway, hopefully the 2 extra months of CRJs can buy you some upgrades.
He was wishing for downgrades/furloughs/demise of envoy. You guys wished the same crap on us, for a lot longer. However, on top of that your group continually used personal insults in your rants. I specifically seem to remember such terms as "pomeranians," "slave ship owners," and of course the less colorful ones like scumbags, brown streak, bend over and take it etc etc.
Anyway, hopefully the 2 extra months of CRJs can buy you some upgrades.
06-05-2015, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
More CRJ flying to be retained
Envoy to Retain More Bombardier CRJ-700 Flying
Dear Envoy team –
I’m pleased to report that Envoy pilot staffing has steadily improved in recent months, enabling us to operate more of the flying American Airlines asks us to perform. As a result, we’ll continue to operate some of our aircraft longer than previously announced and the rate at which we transfer aircraft from Envoy to PSA will decrease.
In recent months, it has become apparent that an increasing number of Envoy pilots are choosing to stay on the Envoy team and enjoy a direct career path to American. Envoy’s agreement with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which represents our pilots, provides industry leading "flow-through" rights to American for all existing and new hire Envoy pilots. In addition, AAG has made a substantial investment, placing 40 new 76-seat Embraer 175 (E175) jets in the Envoy fleet, with options for up to 90 more. Envoy is hiring new pilots and welcoming back pilots returning from leaves of absence. Lower attrition and increased hiring mean that Envoy is steadily building our capability to fly more aircraft than previously forecast.
Specifically, American has informed me that the transfer of the Bombardier CRJ-700 aircraft from Envoy to PSA will be slower than initially planned. We will now transfer 12 instead of 18 CRJ-700s to PSA during 2015. Envoy will continue to fly the remaining fleet of 35 CRJ-700s until transfers to PSA are expected to resume in the second half of 2016.
All of this is great news for the Envoy team. For our pilots, this means that we will be posting additional CRJ Captain vacancies in the Chicago domicile and will offer more Captain positions in the large RJ pay range. For flight attendants, this means substantially more two-person aircraft will be in service and we will resume new hire classes this fall. For our mechanics, this means that we will have more planes to work on, preserving jobs.
Across Envoy, there is a tremendous amount of work being done to prepare for our upcoming fleet renewal and ensure a smooth introduction of the E175 later this year. The initial groups of pilots have been trained and many of the training, manuals, and procedures are in final development to become the first American Eagle carrier to offer this enhanced two-class E175 service to American’s customers from DFW.
Thank you for all you do – for our customers and each other.
Pedro Fábregas
Envoy to Retain More Bombardier CRJ-700 Flying
Dear Envoy team –
I’m pleased to report that Envoy pilot staffing has steadily improved in recent months, enabling us to operate more of the flying American Airlines asks us to perform. As a result, we’ll continue to operate some of our aircraft longer than previously announced and the rate at which we transfer aircraft from Envoy to PSA will decrease.
In recent months, it has become apparent that an increasing number of Envoy pilots are choosing to stay on the Envoy team and enjoy a direct career path to American. Envoy’s agreement with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which represents our pilots, provides industry leading "flow-through" rights to American for all existing and new hire Envoy pilots. In addition, AAG has made a substantial investment, placing 40 new 76-seat Embraer 175 (E175) jets in the Envoy fleet, with options for up to 90 more. Envoy is hiring new pilots and welcoming back pilots returning from leaves of absence. Lower attrition and increased hiring mean that Envoy is steadily building our capability to fly more aircraft than previously forecast.
Specifically, American has informed me that the transfer of the Bombardier CRJ-700 aircraft from Envoy to PSA will be slower than initially planned. We will now transfer 12 instead of 18 CRJ-700s to PSA during 2015. Envoy will continue to fly the remaining fleet of 35 CRJ-700s until transfers to PSA are expected to resume in the second half of 2016.
All of this is great news for the Envoy team. For our pilots, this means that we will be posting additional CRJ Captain vacancies in the Chicago domicile and will offer more Captain positions in the large RJ pay range. For flight attendants, this means substantially more two-person aircraft will be in service and we will resume new hire classes this fall. For our mechanics, this means that we will have more planes to work on, preserving jobs.
Across Envoy, there is a tremendous amount of work being done to prepare for our upcoming fleet renewal and ensure a smooth introduction of the E175 later this year. The initial groups of pilots have been trained and many of the training, manuals, and procedures are in final development to become the first American Eagle carrier to offer this enhanced two-class E175 service to American’s customers from DFW.
Thank you for all you do – for our customers and each other.
Pedro Fábregas
Sure, it's a shot in the arm, but a very minor one. Let's put this into perspective. First of all, considering PSA's growing pains, Envoy's present overstaffing (aren't A LOT of pilots on reserve ?) and what PSA management has had to do, the delay in transferring a handful of CRJ's is not unexpected to give the rapidly expanding PSA some breathing room. I have to hand it to Pedro for putting a lot of colorful and sugary frosting on what is essentially just bland sponge cake. Between him and Wilson, they have a good PR person writing their schtick. 6 jets for upwards of a year means 60 more flying jobs and 30 more captains (or perhaps slightly less on a 9+ pilots per aircraft staffing model), 30 of which are captains making that extra $4.50/hour or so and hey, that's all nice and fine, but they still plan to transfer all of Envoy's CRJ's and it would seem shrink.
As for the spin that pilots are CHOOSING to stay at Envoy, I can't believe they're contacting legacy carriers or LCC's and asking them to delete their apps as Pedro seems to insinuate. It's more like just a temporary ebb in the ebb and flow of pilot hiring at other locations. In reality, this is not an altruistic move to throw Envoy or its pilots a bone, but rather a business decision to ensure the morphing of Envoy's flying to others goes smoother while concurrently ensuring Envoy's introduction of 175's goes smoother as well early next year. Flight attendants have high attrition and so hiring there is not surprising. All in all, I see the announcement of a known business decision fluffed up to make it sound better than it really is, just like the letter and that poster of Envoy blowing its flow-through horn with a picture of a jet operated by someone else (RAH E-175 ?).
06-05-2015, 06:33 AM
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Sorry, but I'm underwhelmed. I left Eagle in 14 and heard over two years of "good news just around the corner" too many times to count. First it's 3 months and we find out, then 2 more months, then 6 weeks, then 2 weeks. When the news came it was always bad. Mason helped perpetuate by stringing things out on here as well.
It's a sad day when "good news" is you get to keep some aircraft "a little longer than anticipated." One day soon will be a day of reckoning for AAG when they can no longer staff their feed. That's the point that they will realize that lack of foresight and planning will cost them dearly. At least, that's what the regional staffing issues are pointing to as far as I can see.
This regional staffing crisis has been brewing across the industry for well over a year now. AAG has failed to take heed and will likely find themselves as the frog in a pot of water that has begun boiling in the next year.
It's a sad day when "good news" is you get to keep some aircraft "a little longer than anticipated." One day soon will be a day of reckoning for AAG when they can no longer staff their feed. That's the point that they will realize that lack of foresight and planning will cost them dearly. At least, that's what the regional staffing issues are pointing to as far as I can see.
This regional staffing crisis has been brewing across the industry for well over a year now. AAG has failed to take heed and will likely find themselves as the frog in a pot of water that has begun boiling in the next year.
06-05-2015, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Should we dispose this thread to the 2 year old argument of why we EAGLE pilots were ****ed off at PSA? You can say how you had to survive. I can say how you willingly screwed us to survive, after we turned it down to help everyone. And it will just divulge back to the usual 10 page argument. Bottom line is there was a catalyst for Envoy pilots to be mad, whether you agree with it or not. To now justify a retaliatory "trolling" with the only cause being "they were mad at us first!" seems like just fueling the fire. You guys were on the right track by riding the higher road. People like FirstClass have completely undone that now.
I'm not justifying what he does, all you need to do is go back up and read the post I made like 15 minutes ago calling him annoying. I'm just pointing out that you guys have dished out stuff that is arguably way worse than him but for some reason it's not ok once a PSA pilot fires back.
06-05-2015, 06:35 AM
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While I wish no harm upon Envoy pilots... this really just seems like smoke and mirrors. You get to keep 6 CR7 2 months longer than initially planned.
Big deal... this does nothing to ensure the long-term viability of Envoy. This is also not a blow to PSA. In the end, this announcement basically means nothing.
Big deal... this does nothing to ensure the long-term viability of Envoy. This is also not a blow to PSA. In the end, this announcement basically means nothing.
06-05-2015, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by air101
While I wish no harm upon Envoy pilots... this really just seems like smoke and mirrors. You get to keep 6 CR7 2 months longer than initially planned.
Big deal... this does nothing to ensure the long-term viability of Envoy. This is also not a blow to PSA. In the end, this announcement basically means nothing.
Big deal... this does nothing to ensure the long-term viability of Envoy. This is also not a blow to PSA. In the end, this announcement basically means nothing.
The masonbird is never wrong, is he ?
BTW, I'm getting awfully hungry and my crow was promised to be served by now.
06-05-2015, 06:44 AM
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Better news than no news.
The letter was total BS, this has nothing much to do with Envoys staffing and everything to do with PSAs staffing. Envoy has had the pilots to keep the CRJs the whole time, management has been actively engaged in making things as miserable as possible which was generally diving attrition.
This doesn't solve our attrition, but the fact is most all of the lateral jumpers are gone, current attrition is flow, LCCs, and major street hiring. You could see another jump in attrition with the rate united and delta are hiring ,the astronauts are almost gone, so were gonna see a higher percentage of regional guys getting the nod.
Also keep in mind. This is now the second delay in the transfer of aircraft to PSA in the last year. All we know is they won't get them faster than is currently planned, there's nothing to prevent them from slowing the pace even further if things aren't working out.
The letter was total BS, this has nothing much to do with Envoys staffing and everything to do with PSAs staffing. Envoy has had the pilots to keep the CRJs the whole time, management has been actively engaged in making things as miserable as possible which was generally diving attrition.
This doesn't solve our attrition, but the fact is most all of the lateral jumpers are gone, current attrition is flow, LCCs, and major street hiring. You could see another jump in attrition with the rate united and delta are hiring ,the astronauts are almost gone, so were gonna see a higher percentage of regional guys getting the nod.
Also keep in mind. This is now the second delay in the transfer of aircraft to PSA in the last year. All we know is they won't get them faster than is currently planned, there's nothing to prevent them from slowing the pace even further if things aren't working out.
06-05-2015, 06:47 AM
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I'm interested in hearing Cujo's take on this announcement. My guess is it will be something along the lines of:
"It's good news. We will be upgrading more and flowing exactly as planned. If you are hired here today, expect no more than 6 years until you are at AA. It's a great time to be an Envoy pilot."
"It's good news. We will be upgrading more and flowing exactly as planned. If you are hired here today, expect no more than 6 years until you are at AA. It's a great time to be an Envoy pilot."
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