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Old 06-05-2015, 06:50 AM
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If you could read you would have noticed it's not 6 CRJs 2 months longer. Those 6 CRJs won't be transfered at all in 2015. They will be added to the second batch that starts in 2016. So it actually means 6 more CRJs than originally planned for over a year. Meaning 6 more all the way into 2017 if they take them at the same rate as planned.
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Old 06-05-2015, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader View Post
He needs to go to art school then. Obvious troll is obvious.

I cannot speak for others but I have not given ANYTHING like that tool has. I have been contemplating playing the troll game with him though. I mean if we all want it to just get downright ugly on here, I can certainly make that happen.
You are right, he's obviously a major ********* trying to get to you. You are just run-of-the-mill ********* for your behavior on the PSA thread. Good point.
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Originally Posted by air101 View Post
While I wish no harm upon Envoy pilots... this really just seems like smoke and mirrors. You get to keep 6 CR7 2 months longer than initially planned.

Big deal... this does nothing to ensure the long-term viability of Envoy. This is also not a blow to PSA. In the end, this announcement basically means nothing.
The ignorance and shortsightedness on this website is amazing and completely not surprising. And it's now being led by Mr. Ignorant himself: eaglefly.

It's a waste of time to attempt to educate people who don't want to listen in the first place, but here goes. The fact that we are keeping the CRJs longer serves as a bridge to when we begin receiving our E-175s. What that means is there will be no net loss of aircraft or a lull in flying as originally thought. Furthermore, this announcement is only the beginning. There will be Captain vacancies posted soon...and let's not forget one very important storm brewing:

Republic. Their entire operation is imploding before everyone's eyes as Bedford has backed himself into a corner. This on top of the fact Parker has never liked him or Republic to begin with. Their MIA operation is in shambles and things get worse by the day. They fly he E175...we begin to take delivery this fall. You connect the dots of possibilities here. These CRJs staying is a drop in the bucket compared to what Envoy has coming their way, but good news never the less.

Let's not forget that our current flow is 6 years to AA with an upgrade in between for new hires. Certain other airlines are unable to offer anything remotely as good so they throw up smoke and mirrors to hide their short comings.
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Old 06-05-2015, 06:53 AM
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I still think Envoy is going to get more than even the 90 options for E-175s... RAH is sinking fast. That flying has to go somewhere. If Envoy is overstaffed, then what better place?
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Old 06-05-2015, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Reservist View Post
Better news than no news.

The letter was total BS, this has nothing much to do with Envoys staffing and everything to do with PSAs staffing. Envoy has had the pilots to keep the CRJs the whole time, management has been actively engaged in making things as miserable as possible which was generally diving attrition.

This doesn't solve our attrition, but the fact is most all of the lateral jumpers are gone, current attrition is flow, LCCs, and major street hiring. You could see another jump in attrition with the rate united and delta are hiring ,the astronauts are almost gone, so were gonna see a higher percentage of regional guys getting the nod.

Also keep in mind. This is now the second delay in the transfer of aircraft to PSA in the last year. All we know is they won't get them faster than is currently planned, there's nothing to prevent them from slowing the pace even further if things aren't working out.
I'll bet they have considered siphoning some of RAH's 175's to Envoy, but logistics at Envoy have prevented them from doing that. Proving runs will come soon and the original schedule seems likely, but perhaps some of those RAH birds could ultimately move there which means Envoy gets more 175's sooner and perhaps more 175's overall. Even then, it's not a bombshell that will keep an Envoy pilot from Spirit, Jet Blue or Legacies, nor start the stampede to Envoy. Of all things, Envoy needs a 50 pilot/month stampede which equates to perhaps 100 interviews/month considering Envoy's supposed selectivity. I've ridden jumpseat on Shuttle several times and their pilots aren't even phased by 170/175's anymore. Its glamour wears off quickly and they are all clamoring to bail as much as anyone, believe me.

I simply have a tough time seeing masonbirds claims of Envotopia unless Envoy does 75-100 interviews/month and hires at least 45-50 and without that, the best laid plans of mice, men and masons will almost certainly fail to materialize.
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Old 06-05-2015, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector View Post
The ignorance and shortsightedness on this website is amazing and completely not surprising. And it's now being led by Mr. Ignorant himself: eaglefly.
Giggity............coming from Mr. Denial himself, this is funny.

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It's a waste of time to attempt to educate people who don't want to listen in the first place, but here goes. The fact that we are keeping the CRJs longer serves as a bridge to when we begin receiving our E-175s. What that means is there will be no net loss of aircraft or a lull in flying as originally thought. Furthermore, this announcement is only the beginning. There will be Captain vacancies posted soon...and let's not forget one very important storm brewing:
The above is essentially what I said, Mr. Denial, i.e., a known business decision to smooth the transition of aircraft AWAY from Envoy and a lesser number of new aircraft TO Envoy.

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Republic. Their entire operation is imploding before everyone's eyes as Bedford has backed himself into a corner. This on top of the fact Parker has never liked him or Republic to begin with. Their MIA operation is in shambles and things get worse by the day. They fly he E175...we begin to take delivery this fall. You connect the dots of possibilities here. These CRJs staying is a drop in the bucket compared to what Envoy has coming their way, but good news never the less.
Your opinion, yet you spin it as something that will provide certainties for Envoy pilots present and future. Sure there is some truth to that, but equating that with any certainties down the road is absurd.

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Let's not forget that our current flow is 6 years to AA with an upgrade in between for new hires. Certain other airlines are unable to offer anything remotely as good so they throw up smoke and mirrors to hide their short comings.
Um, let's not forget that your CURRENT flow is PROJECTED to be X, which is not the same as a certainty. Me thinks you're upset your OWN smoke and mirrors spin is being cleared and cleaned by others and you find that upsetting.
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Originally Posted by Skyvector View Post
The ignorance and shortsightedness on this website is amazing and completely not surprising. And it's now being led by Mr. Ignorant himself: eaglefly.

It's a waste of time to attempt to educate people who don't want to listen in the first place, but here goes. The fact that we are keeping the CRJs longer serves as a bridge to when we begin receiving our E-175s. What that means is there will be no net loss of aircraft or a lull in flying as originally thought. Furthermore, this announcement is only the beginning. There will be Captain vacancies posted soon...and let's not forget one very important storm brewing:

Republic. Their entire operation is imploding before everyone's eyes as Bedford has backed himself into a corner. This on top of the fact Parker has never liked him or Republic to begin with. Their MIA operation is in shambles and things get worse by the day. They fly he E175...we begin to take delivery this fall. You connect the dots of possibilities here. These CRJs staying is a drop in the bucket compared to what Envoy has coming their way, but good news never the less.

Let's not forget that our current flow is 6 years to AA with an upgrade in between for new hires. Certain other airlines are unable to offer anything remotely as good so they throw up smoke and mirrors to hide their short comings.
Given the CRJ's extended stay at Envoy, does that mean they will keep flying out of all current bases, including NY? Is NY base getting an extension as well?
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Old 06-05-2015, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
I still think Envoy is going to get more than even the 90 options for E-175s... RAH is sinking fast. That flying has to go somewhere. If Envoy is overstaffed, then what better place?
I think they'll eventually will get more jets too. What's the schedule on the first 40 ?

Isn't it something like end of 2017 ?

The whole regional industry will very likely be different by then and Envoy itself could be in any number of situations many doesn't consider. If they order more (ostensibly to REPLACE older, smaller Embraer's), it will be AT LEAST 2018 before they hit the property.
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Old 06-05-2015, 07:07 AM
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PSA pilots are called scabs by envoy pilots for voting in a decent contract that allowed massive movement at their airline.

Envoy is drooling over flying Republics 175s (that republic actually purchased and owns).

Mmm hypocrisy


Edit:
What about the 140s still being parked and 145s that are going to TSA and XJT?
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Old 06-05-2015, 07:07 AM
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This is honestly good news for everyone. Envoy gets to fly six CRJ's another year, PSA gets a chance to catch its breath. The other case scenario would've been either PSA and/or Envoy parks -200's or -145's respectfully. AAG doesn't want the dual class birds sitting around at all.
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