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Old 10-30-2017, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Make sure you get referrals from other pilots before selecting a 1C AME.
I tried to get referrals locally. I live in Milwaukee. Nobody had any solid leads locally. I should have drove two to the Chicago area were I did get several referrals.
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Old 10-30-2017, 05:12 PM
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I’ve been in contact with the union and I’m working on things now. Thanks.

I hope everything works out for you. Let us know how it goes.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:06 PM
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The assessment is designed to be more of a sit down with the doc to discuss your “symptoms” that triggered it. The study is the actual big deal where you sleep in a monitored facility with tons of wires and stuff hooked to you and try to sleep. If you have been with your PCM for a while, and you have a good relationship, your assessment will be more like a discussion of any changes to your sleep or daytime fatigue, etc, and then he will write a memo summarizing the discussion. Should take 30 minutes and not be a big deal if he finds no further reason to pursue an OSA sleep study. All the FAA wants is to ensure that people discuss OSA with their PCMs if they have enough indicators. I went through the process a few years back.
This is where I am hung up with my situation. I don’t have symptoms of OSA with the exception of maybe snoring occasionally. I sleep well and I do not have daytime tiredness. I don’t not fall asleep in an airplane or in a car. I generally do not take naps because I don’t need them. The AME mentioned a “table 2 and 3” but never showed them to me. It was only later after the exam that I found those and to my surprise I have none of those symptoms or conditions. I am at 34 BMI (he noted last years BMI which was 39). I wear a 17” neck size and it is slightly loose but he said that’s too big. I’m male and I’m 43 which he noted. He examed my jawline and said my throat is a “type 3”...regardless at this point I must comply and my PCM although he has stated that he does not believe that I am at risk for OSA he will not write a letter. He said he will not do it because he is not a sleep specialist. He also thinks that it is not a bad idea to see a sleep specialist just in case.

It is my understanding that if you see a sleep specialist they will not rule out OSA without a home sleep study. Then regardless of the sleep study most people end up on a CPAP. I don’t know I just feel like I got screwed by the AME I went to.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by arnoldaj74 View Post
I tried to get referrals locally. I live in Milwaukee. Nobody had any solid leads locally. I should have drove two to the Chicago area were I did get several referrals.
Yes, I would commute for a good AME if necessary.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by arnoldaj74 View Post
This is where I am hung up with my situation. I don’t have symptoms of OSA with the exception of maybe snoring occasionally. I sleep well and I do not have daytime tiredness. I don’t not fall asleep in an airplane or in a car. I generally do not take naps because I don’t need them. The AME mentioned a “table 2 and 3” but never showed them to me. It was only later after the exam that I found those and to my surprise I have none of those symptoms or conditions. I am at 34 BMI (he noted last years BMI which was 39). I wear a 17” neck size and it is slightly loose but he said that’s too big. I’m male and I’m 43 which he noted. He examed my jawline and said my throat is a “type 3”...regardless at this point I must comply and my PCM although he has stated that he does not believe that I am at risk for OSA he will not write a letter. He said he will not do it because he is not a sleep specialist. He also thinks that it is not a bad idea to see a sleep specialist just in case.

It is my understanding that if you see a sleep specialist they will not rule out OSA without a home sleep study. Then regardless of the sleep study most people end up on a CPAP. I don’t know I just feel like I got screwed by the AME I went to.
Wait, are you saying he went with your shirt size instead of actually measuring?
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:09 PM
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Wait, are you saying he went with your shirt size instead of actually measuring?
Yes he first guessed at my neck size. I told him my work shirts are 17” neck size but they are slightly loose because I don’t like them snug. On top of that I have lost about 25 since my last medical so my neck size may even be less.
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Old 11-19-2017, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by arnoldaj74 View Post

It is my understanding that if you see a sleep specialist they will not rule out OSA without a home sleep study. Then regardless of the sleep study most people end up on a CPAP. I don’t know I just feel like I got screwed by the AME I went to.
I squarely fit into the get tested group, even though I didn't have any symptoms. The sleep specialist did a home study which was no big deal. I was diagnosed with OSA, but my case was borderline. My sleep specialist did not recommend any treatment and the FAA accepted this. All I do now is comment that I have no changes to my condition.

My sleep specialist told me that most folks have no idea that there's a problem until they get tested.

I know pilots that got tested, got diagnosed and went on CPAP. To a tee, they are all much happier once they went on CPAP.

Bottom line, take care of your health. If needed, spend the $150 for the home sleeping test and if needed, get the treatment. The FAA paperwork is nothing and is transparent to any employer looking at your medical status.
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:12 PM
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This week I saw a Pulmonologist/Sleep Doctor to complete an OSA assessment. I was expecting that he would set me up with a sleep study but he did not. Based on his assessment he concluded that I am at a low risk for sleep apnea.

I have until January 16th to get a letter submitted to the FAA. This doctor said he would write a letter but he has never dealt with the FAA. He asked me what the FAA will need to see in this letter. Is there specific information the FAA requires in letter after an OSA assessment?

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Old 12-15-2017, 03:51 AM
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I’d call Alpa medical if you are a member or consult a senior ame that has dealt with osa to get the proper wording.

Even if it costs money it could save you months of back and forth.
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Originally Posted by arnoldaj74 View Post
This week I saw a Pulmonologist/Sleep Doctor to complete an OSA assessment. I was expecting that he would set me up with a sleep study but he did not. Based on his assessment he concluded that I am at a low risk for sleep apnea.

I have until January 16th to get a letter submitted to the FAA. This doctor said he would write a letter but he has never dealt with the FAA. He asked me what the FAA will need to see in this letter. Is there specific information the FAA requires in letter after an OSA assessment?

Thanks
You need a specialist AME to walk you through this. In your previous posts, you stated that your current AME has issues. Sending in a letter that raises more issues will add additional heartache at best and could ground you for months.

https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/comm...he-faa.103001/

Dr. Bruce Chen is one of the posters on this thread. He's a specialist AME that several corporate pilots that I have met online used.

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