RAH 175 options
 

Heard a rumor that RAH will not be executing any more of it's 50 options for the 175. Can anyone confirm or deny?

I thought those 50 jets were a solid commitment between RAH and United. I also thought that RAH is acquiring these jets, not leasing them.

The united birds are firm. I believe the company purchased additional options as part of the american deal. Its no shock at all they wont be exercising those.

Have the United aircraft started to show up yet?

July, with entry into service in August. Incidentally, S5 E170s being tranferred to YX at a rate of 2 per month starting in August.

Rumor


Step away from the rumor mill.

Options are just that. Options. Doesn't mean you will necessarily get them anytime soon.

As part of the 47 AA birds there were a number of options to bring the possible total to "over 100" if you remember the September 2012 announcement.

Word on them skreets is that Envoy will be getting those 175s.

How? AA is scoped out. I think envoy can get 7 more if AAG doesn't reconfigure their CR7s.

We own all of our own airplanes. Unless AA buys those options from us, they are not theirs to give away.

Lol I think this is a troll post

If RAH doesn't exercise any of its AA 175 options that puts an additional 50 aircraft in play somewhere.

What's sad is that this "rumor" that you are parroting word for word was started by the Envoy NY Base Blast, which was made public on another forum. ALPA has no idea what RAH is doing with their aircraft OR their options. The fact that they would put this out there for their pilots as some sort of glimmer of hope is a bit pathetic to me. It is speculation at best.

Ummm....no

AA has its own 175 options, which, in accordance with the contract Envoy passed last December, would go to Envoy if exercised by AAG.

I heard Great Lakes

I heard Big Sky.

Good Luck!

You should be excited. It means you can finally be a captain at Envoy. Good luck with upgrade.

Trump. He's getting back in the game

I think my response was misunderstood. There's been a lot of talk of the Large Regional Jets being scooped out, unless the CRJ 700's are reconfigured. My point is that included in those Large Jet orders that are scooping out Envoy is the 50 E175s that are supposed to go to RAH.

If RAH doesn't exercise any of its AA 175 options then that would allow 50 large RJ's to be operated at another carrier without scooping out.

You are simply not correct.

#of options doesn't equal the # of permitted aircraft. (Hint: it's way more than what is permitted.)

You are missing what he is saying.
There are more options than allowed by scope. Only so many of the options can be executed.

Whomever has the pilots will be the ones to execute their options. Currently RAH is not in any position to execute the 50 more AA RJ options, and aren't even flying all 47 of the ones they have. No staffing.

Just so I understand what JDflyer is saying and my understanding of the system:

Several airlines have options for Large RJs to do AA regional flying: PSA (CRJ 900s, AA owns), Compass (175s from the first 20, AA owns), RAH (175s left over from the 2012 agreement they own), and Envoy (90 options). As it stands, the OPTIONS do not count to anything regarding scope. Trans States could get 200 options for 175s but as long as they remain options, they just exist in theory.

Once a company wishes to exercise the options, then scope has to be considered. Without any of the CRJ700s being reconfigured, only a handful of large RJs may be placed into service at AA (10-20? Dont know the exact numbers). These options may be exercised by Compass, Republic, PSA or Envoy to the extent allowed by scope.

Side note: All but one of those carriers options are for Embraer aircraft while the other is for Bombardier. I think bombardier is getting desperate to try to sell more slots for their large RJs and since the bean counters get their way, I wonder who will get more airplanes.

Cujo says pilots are the new currency and who is the only one who is hiring gang-busters (Even if they are feeling some growing pains). PSA just needs to play catch up, not turn down.

Let me try to explain my stance one more time.

Airline ABC will allow a total of 100 large RJs to be flown by it's regional partners.

Airline X has 10 large aircraft with 31 options
Airline Y has 20 large aircraft with 32 options
Airline Z has 30 large aircraft with 33 options

Now, not everyone can execute all of their options as that would result in 146 large aircraft. If the aircraft are distributed equally they can each only execute 16.7 aircraft each.

Now, Airline Y then states that they will not be exercising any options. This would allow Airlines X and Z to exercise most of their options without busting the scope restriction (There would be 11 options that wouldn't be able to be executed).

Now if RAH, only rumor because I haven't seen it confirmed and that is what I am trying to validate here (unsuccessfully), doesn't execute it's 50 options, it will allow the other regional airlines to execute more of there options without breaking scope.

Really? Options, Orders for RJ's at regionals? You guys get excited about this?

They should belong at the Majors with better benefits and pay.



Good Luck!

Where you off to this weekend buddy? Be sure to check the NOTAMS :)

Nowhere. The "G" is down for inspection.

Good Luck!

There are still some erj left at envoy u can fly.

Good luck!

No thanks. Saw a pic with a dozen of them parked at KSJT because envoy can't staff them.

Good Luck!