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captbiff 07-15-2015 12:39 PM

RAH and yammer
 
So the rah mgmt. team doesn't like it much when a person "employee" posts bad stuff, or IMO funny stuff, on the website "yammer" and the consequences are severe. According to a fellow crew member I came across the other day. Showed me the letter s/he got, and I have to wonder what happened to our First Amendment rights? So when did we allow censorship to take over? Yes people are voting with their feet, but as long as people continue to report for training, how else can we, the pilot group, negotiate a fair TA?

It also appears this is ok for the company to violate the NDA they signed with union regarding specifics in the negotiations of our contract, and the information they are spreading are all bits and pieces meant to divide the labor groups, fa's, dx, and mx.

But i digress.....

Ray Red 07-15-2015 12:42 PM

1st amendment rights only prevent the government from controlling speech.

FirstClass 07-15-2015 12:49 PM

Wouldn't it be easier to just not get caught?

snippercr 07-15-2015 12:54 PM

You have heard about what has happened to a recent PSA pilot regarding a post on facebook, right?

FirstClass 07-15-2015 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1930409)
You have heard about what has happened to a recent PSA pilot regarding a post on facebook, right?

Yeah. Stay anonymous.

Rmk1991 07-15-2015 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1930409)
You have heard about what has happened to a recent PSA pilot regarding a post on facebook, right?

If you are serious then no, I have not.

Packrat 07-15-2015 01:29 PM

I love it when people who have no idea what the 1st Amendment says claim "my First Amendment rights."

Think, McFly, think (you, too, Ray):

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of expression, or of the press; or of the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances."

billyho 07-15-2015 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1930409)
You have heard about what has happened to a recent PSA pilot regarding a post on facebook, right?

Isn't the one that posted Eagles 700 online talking crap was it??
That was DUMB!

Coneydog 07-15-2015 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1930409)
You have heard about what has happened to a recent PSA pilot regarding a post on facebook, right?

Did that guy face disciplinary action from the company?

PSASUX 07-15-2015 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1930409)
You have heard about what has happened to a recent PSA pilot regarding a post on facebook, right?

Feel free to enlighten us as to what happened. I am certain that someone who does not work for PSA has all the correct information.

WhoCares 07-16-2015 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1930428)
I love it when people who have no idea what the 1st Amendment says claim "my First Amendment rights."

Think, McFly, think (you, too, Ray):

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of expression, or of the press; or of the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances."

Ray is correct. The Bill of Rights protects the citizens of the United States of America from the government. Not an employer.

RAH can fire employees for "speaking their mind" the government can not imprison it's citizens for doing so.





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FirstClass 07-16-2015 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by Coneydog (Post 1930523)
Did that guy face disciplinary action from the company?

No. Apparently they laughed a little bit about it but told him to tone it down publicly.

Loon 07-16-2015 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Ray Red (Post 1930397)
1st amendment rights only prevent the government from controlling speech.

So, what's their excuse for doing it? I guess we're not protected after all.

thump 07-16-2015 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Loon (Post 1930832)
So, what's their excuse for doing it? I guess we're not protected after all.

I'm sure it's buried in the terms of service. Yammer is company operated; freedom of speech does not apply.

LNL76 07-16-2015 07:50 AM

Why would an "adult" post detrimental things about their employer on social media? Jesus, people are f'ing stupid AND deserve what they get!

billyho 07-16-2015 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1930880)
Why would an "adult" post detrimental things about their employer on social media? Jesus, people are f'ing stupid AND deserve what they get!

If there company sucks arse then it helps other people know to stay away. However doing it with your Real Name is yes "f'ing stupid'.

That being said if you ran a good company you wouldn't be worried what anyone said would you?? If the shoe fits.

basesjuiced 07-16-2015 07:58 AM

if you're a grown adult male frolicking on social media go ahead and punch yourself in the face

CBreezy 07-16-2015 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1930884)
If there company sucks arse then it helps other people know to stay away. However doing it with your Real Name is yes "f'ing stupid'.

That being said if you ran a good company you wouldn't be worried what anyone said would you?? If the shoe fits.

It only takes one post or tweet taken out of context to thrust even a great company onto the national spotlight.

IceManCRJ 07-16-2015 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by basesjuiced (Post 1930886)
if you're a grown adult male frolicking on social media go ahead and punch yourself in the face


It's that what everybody is doing right now reading this thread?


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LNL76 07-16-2015 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1930884)
If there company sucks arse then it helps other people know to stay away. However doing it with your Real Name is yes "f'ing stupid'.

That being said if you ran a good company you wouldn't be worried what anyone said would you?? If the shoe fits.


There isn't a company in the world where EVERY employee is happy. There will always be issues and gripes. That has nothing at all to do with being an idiot and shooting yourself in the foot. People need to take responsibility for their ridiculously childish actions and grow up.

billyho 07-16-2015 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1930904)
There isn't a company in the world where EVERY employee is happy. There will always be issues and gripes. That has nothing at all to do with being an idiot and shooting yourself in the foot. People need to take responsibility for their ridiculously childish actions and grow up.

I agree 100% but to sit here and say you can't be criticize your company is also ridiculously dumb. Yes there are mature ways of doing it.

billyho 07-16-2015 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1930888)
It only takes one post or tweet taken out of context to thrust even a great company onto the national spotlight.

Isn't it sad that the height of our journalism and news today comes from a Tweet or Facebook post.

CBreezy 07-16-2015 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1930941)
Isn't it sad that the height of our journalism and news today comes from a Tweet or Facebook post.

Ouch my balls, my friends. Ouch my balls. #news.


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