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Redeyz 07-29-2015 03:04 PM

Pathetic
 
I am a B757 Captain at FDX (for reference to the article only).

After reading this article, the question beckons, "if this rubbish were true (it isn't) why do we continually receive (on average) less than 3% raises/yr. [Of note, we at FDX, haven't received a new contract (read pay raise) in over 2 1/2 years (read pay cut with inflation).

Our company NETS $3 Billion in profits annually for the last 5+ years. The 95% profit sharing the author bases his premise on, is non-existent, voiding the remainder of blabber, pointless.

Why would a 1st Officer with a College degree and $50,000-$150,000 in post graduate training only make $20,000/yr? (Manager at McDonald's with far less credentials earns $35,0000

The article portrays that pilots hold all the cards via a Union. Because of the RLA, Unions aren't allowed to strike (when's the last airline strike recorded?). Contracts via RLA have amendable dates and therefore have no teeth and managements are far too aware of the fact.

The Author is _________ (insert your favorite pejorative) and knows very little how the big leagues operate.

Just ask any United, Delta, AA, USAIR pilot about their Union power and the Pension they lost to the PGBC and 50% pay cut during the last round of bankruptcies, which mgmts received millions in bonuses post exiting bankruptcy.

Article is totally bogus.

Waitingformins 07-29-2015 03:40 PM

Yea, guy needs to do some homework. Airlines WOULD have more power but congress neutered that with the RLA. Manufacturing and refining can be operated on skeleton crews not to mention they can prepare for strike by storing capacity, and still have product to sell during a strike.
I think in reality striking wouldn't help to much though Europe does it a lot and they haven't outpaced America. What actually happened was deregulation and lower margins. In the 70's only the wealthy flew so the pilots could make much more, because the margins were there for the amount of work being done. Now that a McDonalds manager can fly somewhere on vacation the model couldn't support the pay.
If half of all flights were canceled and every ticket cost $1,000 bucks the pilots that were left could make double their current pay scale. Problem is shareholders want growth, just look at Chipotle. For an airline growth means more work for the same amount of money. The pendulum will swing ULCC wont be able to staff their growth and margins will go up and with that the pay scales.

pete2800 07-29-2015 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by FuriousG (Post 1939619)
Fix the profession. Kill the regionals.

In a nutshell, this statement explains absolutely everything, and presents THE solution for most of the problems. We must do this.

AC560 07-29-2015 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by pete2800 (Post 1939927)
In a nutshell, this statement explains absolutely everything, and presents THE solution for most of the problems. We must do this.

Which is what the author of the article is making the point on. Scope was given up by the unions of the time in exchange for X that would benefit current members. While parts of the article are off base I can say as a management puke that the easiest way to get savings with a union is offering current folks one thing in exchange for screwing new folks (B scales, differing work rules, etc.).

The definition of a seniority based system is the senior guys get the perks and the bottom pays for it.

FirstClass 07-29-2015 06:14 PM

This is an old article but the authors conclusions are well thought out. I agree with nearly everything he says in the article. I especially like his analysis of a growing pilot force having a lowering total labor cost while a shrinking force increasing as the lower cost labor is eliminated from the bottom up.

Spud121 07-29-2015 06:30 PM

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thepesimist 07-29-2015 06:34 PM

I also thought that to be true Firstclass. I must agree Redeyz though that some things said in the article are complete crap. The point about pilots taking 95% of airline profits seems ludicrous to me.

Redbird611 07-29-2015 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Redeyz (Post 1939874)
Because of the RLA, Unions aren't allowed to strike (when's the last airline strike recorded?).


Spirit Airlines, 2010, if I recall correctly.

knobcrk 07-30-2015 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by pete2800 (Post 1939927)
In a nutshell, this statement explains absolutely everything, and presents THE solution for most of the problems. We must do this.

It's going to be hard to kill off the regionals considering a lot of the pilots are lifers now and majors can fly 75 to 90 seat aircraft for the fraction of a price of a 73 or Airbus. These articles pop up once in a while but they're just pie in the sky thoughts. Pilots lack any fortitude to do anything and managemt knows this. Our only hope is supply and demand.


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