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Hey Guys,

Opportunities have arisen and I was wondering what job I should take. SkyWest or Mesa? I want to be based in Phoenix because my family has a vacation home in Scottsdale and I could just live there for free? Which airline would you pick based on: pay, QOL, and highest chance that the base stays open for the regional.

Thanks

What's the matter? The umpteen bajillion SkyWest and Mesa threads not good enough for ya?

Just so I won't be accused of being TOTALLY useless...

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Skywest future at PHX seems not the best. I've heard their contract is month to month right now. Mesa out of phoenix just got somewhat junior recently. If you are open to commuting I would say compass out of LAX honestly.

Really? Every Mesa FO that have spoken to says PHX is shrinking for them. Although I don't think that SkyWest or Mesa is going anywhere anytime soon, there isn't any growth for either in terms of the PHx domicile. Straight from MAG crew members, PHX is very difficult to obtain *right now. The same is true for SKW. With that being said, things change very rapidly and without notice, so it's a gamble either way.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with SKW. Pay, company reputation and pay.

My $.02

You'll undoubtedly make more money at SkyWest. That being said, my friends there took over a year to get Sky Harbor-based, and as was stated, their future there is uncertain. It could be argued that Phoenix's hub status itself is uncertain, but Parker has stated it will remain a hub for the foreseeable future, and Mesa would probably last longer between the two at least. I think holding Phoenix has been pretty consistent at 3-6 months for a while now. The LA flying we staffed out of PHX has gone away, but we seem to be getting slightly more of the California flying SkyWest was doing. Also, because of attrition/upgrades Phoenix is opening up to quite a few FO's in October. Of course, the game of musical chairs could always stop.

Fail.

Go to Mesa. With a doubt.




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Yeah just very recently. They are sending about 27 IT's to phx in October. But that may be the last for a while. I honestly think you may get PHX based faster at Mesa but who knows really.

You aren't the totally useless one. OP is.





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I have a friend who worked for Mesa and said to avoid at all costs....however, any word of upping the newhire pay to close to $40 an hour in the new contract?

Wrong

Filler

PHX is definitely attainable but you won't get it straight out of the gate no matter which one you choose. Just FYI most west coast domiciles are going to be senior. Junior bases for the new guys are usually in places like ORD, IAD, CLT, etc...

The exception is Compass and their LAX domicile, but that is definitely an anomaly and not the norm.

The one and only reason anyone should even think about Mesa is if they absolutely freaking have to live in PHX.

Mesa is where the washouts from my new hire class went.

Mesa is where the washouts, unhireables, and otherwise rejected go. It's the boneyard of Regional pilots. And their practice of hiring "questionable" people is needed to support their extremely low pay and quality of life. Pilots who can't be hired anywhere else won't be so choosy about "little" things like pay and long term career potential.

Incredibly false. Most new hires I fly with are normal young guys with no failures and no sketchy backgrounds who simply bit the fast upgrade carrot that was dangled in front of them. The other handful I fly with are RAH, and XJT refugees, who were tired of looking at an 8+ year upgrade.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that is the one of the main reasons we are still attracting new blood. It seems like every couple of pages in the main Mesa thread someone is optimistically inquiring about PHX growing again.

That is quite a blanket statement for our pilot group. And coming from someone who doesn't even work here at that.

I wish you would say that to some of our guys who have flown in Afghanistan under, let's just say, less than favorable conditions. In fact I'd love to see it, but I'm guessing you're too big of a coward when you step out from behind the computer. I have to say I am a little surprised hearing this from an Envoy pilot. I thought you types had more tact than that.

Lol. Mesa pilot here: Bachelor's degree from a major university, no criminal history, no failures, no FAA certificate action, letters of warning, incidents, or accidents. Haven't flown with any of the types you've described in your post.

Sorry you're miserable. Try not to take it out on everyone else.

Well we definitely have those types, believe me, but it's not the vast majority of pilots here l. Not even by a long shot. It would be like saying all SkyWest pilots are tools because you met a handful who scored a kanye on the douche baggery scale.

Long term goal for PHX is that it will remain a focus city. Short term it will be a base of 737 & 320's. Feed will be provided by Mesa Air Group and Skywest with through flying provided by additional regional partners.

If you are worried about pay, then I would also focus on other regionals and domiciles where you don't have to be an FO for a decade to upgrade and hold PHX, because that is currently the situation at Mesa and if I had to guess Skywest isn't much different. However I could be wrong if there is some sort of massive expansion of regional ops in PHX, but that is highly unlikely and not even remotely anticipated at this point. Unless a regional is the last rung on the career ladder for you, I wouldn't even worry about trying to be in Phoenix.

Hey guys due to the fact that all of the regionals are hiring if I have a pulse should I go to envoy, Piedmont, express jet, Skywest, Gojet, republic, horizon, Mesa, compass, air Wisconsin, commute air, penn air, island air, psa, or, Piedmont? I'm too lazy to read any of these threads and too stupid to make my own decision. What do you think????