Compass Hiring "Contract" Pilots
 

I hope this is a joke! I am sure the NWA pilot group is going to have a hay-day with this... On top of the contract pilot BS the site isn't even gramatically correct (not like I am but this is a forum-not a job posting). The job sounds more like a corporate gig as opposed to a regional/mainline/whatever its supposed to be..

Are furloughed NWA pilots flying these things? Or are they hiring direct into the left seat? not flame jsut info thanks......

I think compass is still a ploy right now to see if the stuff with mesaba works out. I met a couple guys who had acceptance letters from compass (you know, company sends them an unsolicited letter that says you can come to compass if you want, just sign and return). they laughed at it, its nonunion garbage! i dont think compass is going anywhere.

If so, I hope they keep it up.

Our training schedule is bulging...lots of work for the part-time guys. A good chunk of that training is Compass type ratings on the 170/190.

Compass is ALPA, btw. I think 'contract' could mean working under a ALPA contract. Maybe not.

Ya, more mainline flying gone. I guess since TWA is gone, and you are "retired", you no longer care about the greater good of the industry. :mad:

And who relaxed the scope during the early to mid 90s on RJs, to protect widebody pay and other issues?

That's right, mainline pilots back in the day.

Mesaba is getting 36 CRJ900s (equipped with 76 seats)? The way I see it, this is a direct one-on-one replacement for the Avros they lost. There used to be 36, and all of them are gone, and many Mesaba pilots were laid off. This new flying will only help bring back Mesaba to where it was before.

Oh yes we are!!! Amen to that!! :D

From what I've seen from your posts, you haven't been around long enough to know the industry from that hole in the ground that you have your head so firmly buried in.

Forty years ago, there were folks bemoaning the passing of the Connies and DC-7s...some years later, the majors quit hiring flight engineers.

Things change. What was isn't ever going to be again. As I have said before, and I'll say it again just for you...either get on the train or stand on the station...because this puppy is leaving. You are either on it or you aren't.

As for the 'industry' as you have put it, I hope you aren't including the box carriers...because they aren't part of it as far as this discussion is concerned. All of the obstacles over the past years have affected only the pax carriers. The advent of the 70-100 pax 'regional' isn't going to impact you at all, so take your phony and ill-educated angst and shove it.

drop in the bucket my friend, drop in the bucket.

....and the crowd goes wild!!!! :D :D :D

The avro is a niche airplane, used ofr certain routes. If there ever was an "exception" for the madness, the avro was one. The 900 is not in the same category.

You're very right sir; I am not affected at all by the CRJ700, e.g.. People accuse me of being self -centered, while actually I am really concerned for the people who are coming in this industry behind me. The fact that you compare an update in technology(i.e. ripping out the FE's panel), to by-passing mainline wages(i.e. RJ's), confirms my theory that you are so bitter at this indusrty(i.e. TWA being GOBBLED up by AMR), that you want EVERYONE to go down with you( Misery loves company). You speak on your soap box in clear English with words trying to impress us all. I think, however, you are just a bitter old TWA screwee. In other words, your time has passed. I'm 34 and have a LONNNNGGG way to go in this bidness. You are a has been who has lost sight of what is right, because of your bitterness. Please do not try to brainwash these kids into believing that what is happening is right, because it is not.

Oh come on now. What are we basing this on?

The Avro had 69 seats. The interior had both a first class and an economy class section.

Only difference now, are 7 more seats (total 76 seats).

So what are you basing your opnion on? The "looks" of the airplane? It "looks" mainline?

Mesaba had 36 Avro jets, those all retired, and now they are getting 36 CRJ900s.

Good for them I say, and hopefully all 225~ furloughed Mesaba pilots get called back.

It seems that the AVRO was almost a turbo prop with fans. They used it in aspen, and certain other airport that other jets couldn't get into. Also, it came along before management got the idea to use RJ's as a way of by-passing mainline wages.

About the Avro...

The bottom line is it was still USED. 36 of them. That was still 36 jets with 69 seats flying on routes for Northwest in the Northwest Airlink system.

The same will happen under the CRJ900s.

And the Avro wasn't just used for ASE flights.

I remember there was one daily Avro flight from DTW-EWR amongst all the mainline A319/320 and DC9 flights.

That's just one example.

Do you ever say anything positive? Sounds to me, from your posts, you might be a little bitter and cynical. Not all of us are kids either, I remember being 34. As for brainwashing, the pilot mills get to the 'kids' before this forum does. If this truly is your view of this industry, maybe you should explore other income opportunities. Leave this profession for the professionals.

Not to be mean spirited but not all is doom and gloom. Look to the future and I think all indicators point towards better days. :)

You're a true blue idiot. I work for a certain brown company, and my office is the right half of a machine that dubbs the number 7 and 5 and 7 (and 7 and 6 and 7). So I'm not so sure that I need a second job, dumba$$. I am trying to pull the wool off of the younger peops eyes. You sound like you are management. :mad:

While UPS is as stable as stable can get, don't ever take anything for granted.

For all you know, you could be out of a job tomorrow. So could I.

No one knows for sure.


You think Pan Am pilots in 1975 thought their airline would tank in 1992? Heck no!

And yes, Cargo is very stable and has been relatively unaffected by the after-effects of 9/11 as far as paycuts and concessions go.


Cargo shipments on planes are still a security threat. Just imagine if al-Qaeda or some other terrorists were successful in getting explosives on multiple cargo airplanes.

You can bet there would be layoffs in the ensuing after math.

your post is irrelavent. Why not just tell me the sky is blue.

You sound like a ramper (Sorry Rampers). :p

I'm just presenting facts. It's a good idea, in general, not to take things for granted.

amen to that brotha, isnt that the truth they ***** about it, what a joke......

Its too bad mainline pilot groups didn't scope RJs in the early 1990s...otherwise HMP wouldn't have anything to ***** about.

Hey Hotmama.. You are 34 and fly for UPS... congrats! Want a cookie? For someone 34 years old and in "admittedly" a good position, don't you think you should act more of your age and a bit more professional? This thread is under the subpart for the regionals and last I checked there was a section for Cargo, so why not go over there and try to knock everyone down at the knees? You wanna try and make everyone feel soo bad for being in this industry and it makes no sense for you when you are on the other side of the airport. And keep in mind this industry does go up and down. My father was talking to me just a couple days ago about when he had to choose between fedex and united in 1990. United was the top paid airline and fedex was up and coming, yet with alot of question marks- sure fedex did better now, but at the time united would have been better. 15 years later United was furloughing... You have at least 26 years left to work so dont count your eggs before they have all hatched. While I think the cargo arena is the most stable one in the air, management could still screw it all up and put companies in a bind later when trying to compete with other competitors. UPS and FDX can only jack up prices to ship stuff soo much before someone else will cut into business cheaper. Just look at the passenger arena- if southwest and jet blue were not around the majors would have jacked up prices years ago to thwart off deficits. There is no guarantee that could not happen to you in the next 26 years. I dont wanna start a bickering match with you hotmama, but it would be nice to get on here just one day and not have you giving everyone a hard time.

Take a look here higney:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...55&postcount=7

" Listen to groovin', for his comments are just that. The regionals are no place to be now. So many are stuck there and can't get out. The pay and qol is miserable. I was lucky to get out early, thanks to a few friends and a "favorable" gender. Stay Put!!!! keep trying for net jets and be happy!!!! "



Even SHE admits she got hired cause she has tits and cameltoe...

Every UPS pilot I have ever met has been a prick. HMP perpetuates that stereotype. Some of the things she says actually do make sense though.

You haven't met very many UPS pilots then.

The VAST majority of them are absolutely great people to be around, and don't have a holier-than-thou superiority complex because they're flying a 757 instead of an RJ.

Agreed- I've flown back from the EU on UPS (pre-9/11) and have never had a better Jumpseating experience. I know several UPS folks and all of them are great pilots and good friends. One of them was even a mentor up to his retirements a few years back.

HPM...has anyone told you that your postings here give Affirmative Action a bad name?

If not, let me be the first.

It seems what I've said failed to make it through your thick head.

No one is suggesting that the condition of the industry is 'right'. I'm only saying that folks have to adjust to changing conditions, just as we have had to do in the past...that's the past before your gender-assisted entry on to the scene. Then as now, the adjusting wasn't a happy one for some.

Some folks here openly push a hard line stance. What they don't say is what that hard line should be. They should...otherwise talk is cheap as you have so clearly proved in your posts.

It's easy to bemoan what has happened...what is not so easy is to come up with a plan to deal with what's happened. Bitching about it won't solve anything...it certainly won't slow down what now seems to be a watershed point in airline pilot career expectations.

So, until you can come up with a game plan that's different than mine, I suggest you **** until you can.