Truck Driver Shortage/Recall Tim Canoll
 

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/09/news/economy/truck-driver-shortage/index.html

$7000 dollars and 5 weeks of training.

And to be a pilot?

ALPA National is a joke.

Truck drivers make tens of thousands more than regional pilots.

Time to recall the ALPA president Tim Canoll. He has his, pull up the ladder.

Yeah. Recall him because there is a trucker shortage! There's a nurse shortage too! Recall Tim Canoll!

Maybe if regional pilots could someday learn proper spelling and grammar, we might be taken a little more seriously.

Well one is a shortage in infrastructure supply for product and people moving while the other is a shortage in sexy strippers in training. I keed!!!!

His silence is deafening. 100% out of touch and a management tool.

So I take it you are ok with a truck driver with no college and the training above making $73,000 per year with 8% to 10% annual increases while a regional pilot makes $25,000 flying a $30 million dollar jet.

You can't fix stupid.

Supply & demand, how does it work?

Sorry for the spelling, typed on my phone.

I am not a regional pilot, I am a 30 year captain at Delta.

A regional first officer needs to start at $100,000 annually given the cost of training and education.

Fuel costs what fuel costs and pilots cost what pilots cost. Businesses still run. Goods have to be trucked all over the country. Just because a truck driver makes $73,000, companies don't just shut down. They pay the salaries.

Our regional pilots are underpaid because our union leader is in bed with management. He is fine with these low wages.

How about you start your first officers off making 100k a year and then we can discuss scope and taking the flying back.

I don't think Walmart or UPS has a shortage of truck drivers with what they pay and benefits offered. Places like Swift have a hard time keeping drivers... Might be the pay and 28 hours of home time every 20 days. Sounds no different then the airline industry.

Hardly. I made a couple of grand more my year driving over the road, than I did my first year at the regionals. But my QOL of life was so much worse. There are driving jobs out there that can pay well, but you are NOT getting them right out of truck driving school.

You have to take the flying back Jerry, otherwise the market will destroy pay rates, as we have seen. The shortage has been repairing some of the damage, for now.

If I owned a sock company and decided to increase my revenue by outsourcing my sock manufacturing to China, how would it sound if I then complained about the low wages sock makers in China make? Probably a little disingenuous...

So as a 30 year Delta CA, how much scope has been sold off during your time to the regional industry, outsourced in order to bring higher hourly rates to the Delta contract?

You and your peers created the Regional airline market, and its wages, you cant come back and say "they should make 100k" after the fact.

This.

My dad was a lifetime trucker. I tried my hand at it between jobs 10 years ago.

If anyone here thinks a first year driver is going to knock down $73k, I got a bridge for sale.... :rolleyes:

****holes like SWIFT you pull one load and sit for three days before you get your next one... $400/wk if you're lucky...

Let me get this straight you would rather recall Tim Canoll from ALPA then just dump ALPA? I don't understand you people, why would you want to stay with an organization that could care less about you? Just keep giving them your dues and shut up. Regional pilots are only interested in complaining but when it comes time to actually doing something meaningful they can't be found. Complain complain complain. Does it make you feel good?

Let me guess, we should form a regional airline association? Aside from the large regionals like ExpressJet and Envoy, most properties are heavily subsidized by ALPA national. Who is going to fund the unions?

No one at the regionals is going to do a thing about alpa! Everyone thinks they're going to get to a major like yesterday. No one is going to stick their neck out to start a drive for a union that actually represents the interests of regional pilots because " we'll all be at the majors soon".

Tim cannoll knows this, alpa knows this, major and regional airline managements know this. Now keep paying your dues and complaining because that's what regional pilots do!

I am ready to bring the teamsters to Mesa, and **** can ALPA and our MEC. Every time I mention this, everyone turns chicken...
I prefer the Teamsters approach of baseball bats to the knee caps.

You mean the 7 years of bats to knee caps when Republic was negotiating? Or how about the success they are having at GoJet. They are the lowest paid pilots at Trans States Holdings and going on year 3 of negotiations.

This made me chuckle. Teamsters are more about servicing airline management. That and filing frivolous lawsuits.

Fundamental difference:

Truck drivers will not undercut each other to drive a bigger truck or to subsidize their company's truck order.

Pilots will. Pilots delude themselves and think a few months in the left seat will fast track their career. We're doomed.

Are you kidding? Of course they will. You're delusional if you think truckers wouldnt go drive for a cheaper company with newer trucks if it promised them a faster pay raise in the future.

Truckers don't give a rats A hole about big shiney trucks! They are blue collard workers, working for $$ not image.

You're telling me a trucker wouldn't upgrade from a POS truck to one with a sleeper cab and better in cab comfort like satellite radio? I'll give you a hint, they do.

Let me reread what I wrote...yeah that's what I'm telling you. They can EASILY switch jobs that offer more pay and the sleeper cab. They don't have to give up one for the other or start at year 1 pay every time they take a better job. Really guys get some real life experience.

So, they can go to a subcontract trucking company and "undercut" big name shipping companies to get more driving, better equipment, and potential career advancement. I have real world experience. I've been in two different industries before aviation.

And I haven't? My father in law has been a trucker his whole life.

When I drove a truck I saw a lot of the same drama there as I do in the airline industry now. in the OTR section of the industry turnover was horrendous while I was in. People would jump ship at the drop of a hat for a few cents/mile more, better millage, and yes even shinier trucks.

The LTL sector, while maybe having a bit more stability, still faced a LOT of the same problems as there are in the airlines.

At least that was my experience and not my father in law's. Of course as a driver as well, my father in law agrees with me.

Yeah, they hop jobs for more money and sometimes better equipment too. Isn't that what I said? They aren't taking jobs for less money because the allure of flow, shiney trucks, or fast upgrades.

That's not what is happening. People are jumping jobs for quick upgrades which equals more money versus being stuck at the at maxed out FO pay. People are leaving XJT and ENY for TSA and PSA for more money and faster progression which, as many people will say, is the key to getting even more money.

Um, yeah, obviously they aren't hopping jobs for flow, or quick upgrades...But there are plenty that are jumping into really crummy deals that I feel like are a detriment to the industry as a whole. Look at some of the lease purchase programs at some of the bottom feeder companies (CR England, Swift, Schneider, etc). They are mostly **** deals that look good but benefit no one but the company.

As opposed to who?

For those of you responding in this thread who claim to have been in this business before or know someone in the business, can pilots or their representation learn anything of value from this industry?

Of course he has his. And he needs a lot of low-cost regional capacity to subsidize his income.

Very true, but ALPA has failed the regional pilots. The entire representation is a joke. The wheels are falling off. There is no shortage of pilots, just a shortage of pilots willing to make 30,000/ year after investing 100k.