Would explain why AAG is now focusing on CVG and PSA is opening a base there. Sounds like it will only continue to grow.

We all know that regional's are going to shrink. There simply is no other option if mainline starts taking pilots at the rate they are predicted to. Potentially painful times ahead for some. I expect we'll see the airlines that exclusively fly props and 50 seat jets to either fold up shop or be bought for their pilots by other airlines. Perhaps it will be a good thing to work for a wholly-owned airline in the coming 5 years? Who knows...

Delta does some of that stuff too. Some airlines are linking cities with business to other cities like Delta doing CMH-RDU etc. Makes sense.

I think wholly owned will have a little bit of an advantage. But generally speaking i think most of us are in a good position. There is going to be a lot of mainline jobs coming up. Better QOL at regionals due to upgrading etc as well. The lost decade is just something that is impossible to forget.

Well what it DOES spell out is FEWER pilot jobs.

You guys are talking about two different things.

In Europe they have the frozen ATPL, which is not an official term. It is slang for someone who has done their 14 ATPL exams and have their commercial and instrument ratings.

The MPL is the same theory and 14 exams, but their license allows them to only fly a specific type for a specific company, and half of their training has been in level C or D sims (or the equivalent), and these guys can't even legally go out and fly a C172 without additional training and practical tests.

I have taught guys in Europe and believe me, their system doesn't make them a better pilot than the FAA product, and guys with 170 hours total time are getting into the right hand seat of A320s and B737s over there. One low cost carrier that I know of thought they could save money by hiring low time guys and have them pay for type ratings. After a few dings and prangs with newbie FOs, they raised their hiring standards quite a bit in subsequent hiring.

Under the MPL program, guys are getting into the right hand seat with 70-90 hours of total time in airplanes, and another 100 in sims or so.

It doesn't matter who you are, where you are from, what you have learned, or even what you know- 170 hours is still 170 hours. Captains are largely on their own.

I think that was his point.


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Which is good because there are fewer pilots to fill those jobs. Kids now just want money. They don't care what they have to do to get it. The passion for flying jets is gone with you and me.

Mabye, it's hard to call. The actual ticket price wouldn't be reduced much. There's no big push to cut dipatchers out and hand the crew an iPad with an app and data plan.

The CA of the BUF crash was hired with 600 hours. He would not have been CA of that flight if the new rules were in place.

They both slept in the crew room all day because they lacked the money to live in EWR and afford a hotel/crashpad to go to. If they were paid more, I don't think they would have made the decision to sleep in the crashpad as easily as they did.

That word "jobs" is thrown around too much. There will be less low paying pilot jobs and more high paying pilot jobs. That's a good thing.