What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
01-26-2017, 09:47 AM
#1031
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Originally Posted by jumpman
So LaMar gave the PDP presentation at my school in Bend, OR the other day. He showed off the shiny new jets and Horizon's proud history. At the same time he even subtly remarked that Horizon has the lowest pay in the industry and is desperate for pilots. They want to hold job interviews in a few months and if selected you will get $7500 as a training stipend, then a $10,000 bonus and a 2 year commitment once your ATP mins are met. I have to admit even I was a little excited and there were a lot of doe-eyed students in the room, something like 30-40 people signed up to be contacted about interviews. I'm glad I came here first though. Thanks for the heads up on the situation, it's like a tragic story that I can't put down. I'll be sure to let my classmates know to check this thread out before they make any decisions, maybe if we can keep QX from suckering a bunch of new pilots they will improve things, or just go under. Hope things get better for you guys.
01-26-2017, 10:50 AM
#1032
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
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Originally Posted by jumpman
So LaMar gave the PDP presentation at my school in Bend, OR the other day. He showed off the shiny new jets and Horizon's proud history. At the same time he even subtly remarked that Horizon has the lowest pay in the industry and is desperate for pilots. They want to hold job interviews in a few months and if selected you will get $7500 as a training stipend, then a $10,000 bonus and a 2 year commitment once your ATP mins are met. I have to admit even I was a little excited and there were a lot of doe-eyed students in the room, something like 30-40 people signed up to be contacted about interviews. I'm glad I came here first though. Thanks for the heads up on the situation, it's like a tragic story that I can't put down. I'll be sure to let my classmates know to check this thread out before they make any decisions, maybe if we can keep QX from suckering a bunch of new pilots they will improve things, or just go under. Hope things get better for you guys.
01-26-2017, 12:06 PM
#1034
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Originally Posted by gazoo34
How many days off does Horizon guarantee? Does Horizon have EFBs and do the pilots have to pay for them? How many upgrade classes have been cancelled in the last year?
01-26-2017, 03:38 PM
#1035
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
QOL doesn't sound good. Even if you go to the jet you will be on junior schedules then upgrade in the Q and fly short 6+ leg days and be junior again as a Captain. If you could upgrade in the jet that would be cool but with all the senior guys doesn't look good. Not to mention upgrading straight in to the Q - that sounds like a nightmare.
01-26-2017, 03:40 PM
#1036
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Originally Posted by gazoo34
How many days off does Horizon guarantee? Does Horizon have EFBs and do the pilots have to pay for them? How many upgrade classes have been cancelled in the last year?
Yes, iPad Air 2, no
2 I think
01-26-2017, 06:15 PM
#1038
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Originally Posted by Galaxy5
13 currently, 11 Line and 12 Reserve in the new contract
Yes, iPad Air 2, no
2 I think
Yes, iPad Air 2, no
2 I think
01-26-2017, 07:18 PM
#1039
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Posts: 72
Originally Posted by jumpman
So LaMar gave the PDP presentation at my school in Bend, OR the other day. He showed off the shiny new jets and Horizon's proud history. At the same time he even subtly remarked that Horizon has the lowest pay in the industry and is desperate for pilots. They want to hold job interviews in a few months and if selected you will get $7500 as a training stipend, then a $10,000 bonus and a 2 year commitment once your ATP mins are met. I have to admit even I was a little excited and there were a lot of doe-eyed students in the room, something like 30-40 people signed up to be contacted about interviews. I'm glad I came here first though. Thanks for the heads up on the situation, it's like a tragic story that I can't put down. I'll be sure to let my classmates know to check this thread out before they make any decisions, maybe if we can keep QX from suckering a bunch of new pilots they will improve things, or just go under. Hope things get better for you guys.
01-26-2017, 10:56 PM
#1040
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Posts: 64
Originally Posted by word302
I think this is Mesa's strategy as well. Go to small towns where hopefully everyone is ignorant to the state of the industry. Sign up some starry-eyed CFIs and get them locked into a contract before they know what hit them. Sad.
I've noticed that Horizon has stopped advertising here. When an airline starts pulling pages out of the Mesa playbook, watch out. One thing I rember from my time there pre-9/11 was a very casual relationship with the truth. They called the CP "lie more." Lying isn't something an organization does, it's who they are.
Hopefully the bottom feeders will either evolve or die off. Regional jobs will never be great, but they don't have to suck excessively. I know that the puppy mills don't spend a lot of time on the history of labor relations in the industry, but it seems like it should be fairly obvious that someone accepting substandard employment isn't doing himself or anyone else any favors.
Times have changed. It's a seller's market. Some companies seem to have recognized that and chosen to compete for new talent by making themselves objectively better places to work & start a career. A company that is back-dooring the union pilots already on the property with a BS bonus scam isn't really offering anything more than an opportunity to join the rest of the folks already getting dumped on.
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