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Waitingformins 01-29-2016 09:02 AM

PBS allows the individual pilot to wave contract protections to get a schedule they want. If it don't then the company could build the exact same schedules for everyone and distribute. They efficiency is letting you be happy to wave your contract protections.

CBreezy 01-29-2016 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 2058327)
PBS allows the individual pilot to wave contract protections to get a schedule they want. If it don't then the company could build the exact same schedules for everyone and distribute. They efficiency is letting you be happy to wave your contract protections.

A little cynical are we?

Flightcap 01-29-2016 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 2058327)
PBS allows the individual pilot to wave contract protections to get a schedule they want. If it don't then the company could build the exact same schedules for everyone and distribute. They efficiency is letting you be happy to wave your contract protections.

Already have done that in order to get a very important weekend off, and was successful.

FirstClass 01-29-2016 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by SMACFUM (Post 2057988)
Just out of curiosity, are there any regionals that still bid hard lines?

In my opinion, PSA has the best bidding out of all the contract airlines I'm aware of.

PSA does line bidding, but afterwards has what is called a Schedule Adjustment Period (SAP) where round 1 line holders are able to take trips from their line and trade them away. You can trade even, trade down and work less hours, trade up for more hours, or you can trade down then trade right back up to pick up hours at a premium.

This in theory is great, but it hasn't been working properly the last half of 2015, only recently seen fixes and improvement.

FirstClass 01-29-2016 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by snackysmores (Post 2057997)
Horizon has SAP and line bidding, but we're giving that up for PBS in Feb 2017. At least I can control my schedule 'til then.

why-why-why?????? What could you possibly be trading that for?????? :eek::eek::eek:

FirstClass 01-29-2016 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2058146)
ExpressJet on the ERJ has hard line bidding for line holders and PBS bidding for reserves and relief/composite lines. The CRJ side is all PBS.

That is an interesting way of doing that.


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2058146)

One of the biggest complaints (from the pilot side) and benefits (from the company side) is that the schedule building is much more efficient and leaves little, if any open time vs. hard line bidding. I know this is anecdotal, but I just switched to a PBS airline and as I build a better understanding of how PBS "thinks" I have had decent luck bidding within PBS and getting what I want even though I am very junior. My biggest complaint however, is that there is very little open time with which to improve/modify my schedule. Using next month as an example, I got all the days off I wanted (my main priority) and all my trips are commutable (second priority) except one which is not commutable on either end. There is nothing I can do about it because there are no trips to trade on those days and I would prefer not to work on the days that there are trips available.

Yes, understanding how the solver works is critical to success.

Waitingformins 01-29-2016 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2058401)
A little cynical are we?

Why am I cynical? How can the PBS computer build any different lines than the hard line computer if it's abiding by the same rules. Don't get me wrong sure the pilot has some wiggle room, but where is the company's savings. Schedules are built by the rules or their not.

higney85 01-29-2016 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 2058611)
Why am I cynical? How can the PBS computer build any different lines than the hard line computer if it's abiding by the same rules. Don't get me wrong sure the pilot has some wiggle room, but where is the company's savings. Schedules are built by the rules or their not.

The savings in the system come down to eliminating interface and preassignment conflicts. So in line bidding you can have a carry out trip for January, but bid a line that starts with a 4 day feb 1. That won't work legally, so you have to carry more pilots to cover it and lose overall productivity. PBS builds around it. With pre assignments such as vacation, training, military, union leaves, Fmla, jury duty, etc... PBS can build a legal line and a full credit (prorated as needed) for the pilot where a line bidding scenario would have conflicts, once again losing productivity and requiring more pilots to cover the same flying.

In the end, a PBS system saves the company significant money. Roughly 10% vs line bidding in end costs.

Big thing comes down to being adequately staffed, having pilot control of the pairings and PBS line construction, and overall contractual rules. If any of those are missing, PBS can be rough on the pilot group. It also really helps to be senior, but everyone is aware of that regardless of PBS or line bidding.

freezingflyboy 01-29-2016 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2058548)
In my opinion, PSA has the best bidding out of all the contract airlines I'm aware of.

PSA does line bidding, but afterwards has what is called a Schedule Adjustment Period (SAP) where round 1 line holders are able to take trips from their line and trade them away. You can trade even, trade down and work less hours, trade up for more hours, or you can trade down then trade right back up to pick up hours at a premium.

This in theory is great, but it hasn't been working properly the last half of 2015, only recently seen fixes and improvement.

That's the exact same way L-XJT has done it since time immemorial except it was called the Initial Line Improvement Window (ILIW). Like you said, a great system in theory. Without any experience with PSA's system, I suspect you run into issues with coverage when trying to drop or trade trips so it's not exactly an anything goes free for all.

tmckeon79 01-29-2016 03:31 PM

If I were bidding reserve, could I bid all my reserve days in a row. So If I am guaranteed 11 days off a month, could I bed reserve for the first 19 days straight in order to guarantee my time off as 11 consecutive days? Just curious as I have not started with an airline yet.

Second question: I'm in the military and trying to figure how drilling as a reservist will work out. If I take 5 days of military leave, and normally I'm guaranteed 75 hours a month. Will I get a schedule that is 5 days shorter and thus prorated for less hours per month of pay? If so, I'm thinking of clumping my days off together so I can drill then and not lose pay from the company.


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