Skywest Benefits
 

I searched their website for their benefits but they weren't very specific. Does anyone know the answer to this question...

Is there a copay for medical or any other insurance?

Doesn't seem like a benefit to work there. Their pay scale $19.25 for FO. Might as well go to AWAC now $25+ 1st year then $39 2nd year. Seems to me SKYW is slowly falling behind. This could cause some problems in getting qualified pilots AND retaining pilots they currently have. Not sure where they are going to hire the 700 more pilots they want to get with the mediocre pay they offer. One can actually qualify for FOOD Stamps at working SKYW. That is pathetic. A professional pilot on food stamps. OUCH!:(

Thanks for the answer to the question that was asked!!!!!!! BTW anybody that has flown in the regionals knows it dosen't matter who you work for in the first year, you should be able to qualify for food stamps.

Ellen, what is your problem with Skywest??? Did you interview with them and they turn you down?
Why do you constantly feel the need to bash one of the better regionals out there? If you feel a need to bash on some companies, I have some for you:

GoJet
Mesa
Trans States
Pinnacle
Great Lakes

So what is your big problem with Skywest?
P.S. Have you checked the price airline stocks recently??:p

No problem . . . just stating fact.

The problem lies with the individuals on this board. Everyone goes around "Bashing" the other airlines, except one must not forget that each is on the same team. It's great to see the enthusiasm of the "newbies" deciding who to interview with, or where they'll decide to go, but that enthusiasm starts and ends with ("I'm Going To Fly JETS! . . .Cool!") The pay doesn't matter, the QOL doesn't matter, Benefits do not matter, Management's actions toward the pilot (as well as Flight Attendant) group doesn't matter, etc., until later. The only thing that matters is that one is hired and has a start date to fly JETS! It's the pilot group as a whole that is willing to step over a dollar to pick up a nickle.

I have argued before (some may know) that I am not in favor of unions (for the most part . . .). And I have argued that if you do not like the pay, go somewhere else. I will also take the other side and argue that "Poverty Wages" for you professionals flying 50 to 70 and even 90 people, are unacceptable. Airline travel nowadays is a comody (Just like Jet Fuel). Best price of the day wins the business. . . . that is why wages are paultry. Quite frankly, as a passenger, I would be a little discouraged to know that my Captain, FO or even Flight attendants (Who are responsible for my life from Point A to Point B) are worth only a few sheckles of the ticket price I paid.

This begs another question. Would you trust a doctor (who is paid $19.25/hr )to operate on your eyes? Probably not. You would think he's not that good.

However, in the airline business the public doesn't know how little pilots make. They assume pilots are well paid. They don't know that many pilots NEED to have part-time jobs to supplement their income. The public doesn’t know that many pilots are too tired to fly because they have to work extra jobs. The public doesn’t know they are at risk. Many don't know that their "newbie" FO might be an 850TT 50 Multi pilot, who only first saw Glass display 3 weeks prior and whose longest x-ctry trip was 250 nm. (In a 172). Imagine, if they knew this and demanded that qualifications were higher for airline pilots.

When does it change? or When will it change? There are a few things that I see that could change the current trend of (Who gets to the bottom first).


PILOT SHORTAGE is a CAUSE for change.
Pilots (including wannabe pilots) begin not choosing or changing from a professional flying career because economically it is not feasible. (ATP’s issued from 1996 – 2005 have steadily declined from about 7,500 a year to 4,750 in 2005 an almost 40% decrease in qualified Captains) This will create a shortage and a few things can happen.

WHAT AIRLINES WILL TRY TO DO
Pilot minimums will become lower and lower until the new SIC will sit right seat in a jet with 250 hours. This individual will have been trained to so-called airline standards; HOWEVER, he/she will have never soloed in ANY plane. I hear it’s being proposed abroad because of the lack of numbers of qualified pilots to fill vacancies. (We can do it cheaper and faster) They (Airlines) will petition the government to change current regulations to favor increased growth of pilot supply at reduced rates, training, etc. There are more 250 hour pilots than there are 1,000 TT or even 2,000TT pilots in the market place. . . .
Consolidate: Airlines will try to merge in order to reduce air transport supply in the market place (thus pseudo increasing the number of pilots available to fly the fewer planes). Airlines will then be able to charge higher fees for the increased demand that is present. However, if they are too aggressive too much consolidation could create transportation substitution alternatives. (Bus, train, private planes, etc.)

WHAT AIRLINES WILL TRY NOT TO DO
Pay higher salaries. Imagine if air commerce stopped in the US for a week or even two. It did with the unfortunate surroundings of 9/11. However, the demand for air flight also dropped dramatically surrounding that incident. Demand actually dropped lower than supply, putting carriers out of business. Now imagine if Demand remained the same and the supply (meaning there were no pilots to fly those planes) ended for two weeks. Eventually, airlines would pay higher salaries, benefits, etc. in order to take advantage of the increasing demand.

WHAT PILOTS (“MAY”) DO
Massive pilot fleeing helps to reduce supply of those able to operate planes. Captains, both Junior and Senior will flee to where their time invested will provide them with a greater dollar reward and better QOL. As Captains flee, FO’s will welcome the short term increase in salary until they feel compelled to leave as well. If the economies of scale are greater and the opportunity cost is lower for NOT being a pilot, an outflow will happen causing massive dollars to be lost by airlines not being able to provide enough supply for demand. The Pilot’s unwillingness to settle for poverty wage will eventually force airlines to 1) Pay more or 2) Reduce qualifications with Govt. Intervention or 3) Go out of business.

WHAT THE PUBLIC WILL DO
The public will continue to fly. The public stops flying when cost becomes to probative or when SAFETY is compromised (like 9/11). Should any of these two scenarios happen, the public will choose to fly less, consider alternative transportation methods or not fly at all. When this happens the U.S.A will take a severe hit to economic growth. The U.S relies on the transportation industry to move goods and services that create jobs which in turn keeps the economy rolling along. If and when that stops, something has to start it rolling again. (Pilots Wanted signs will appear)

WHAT THE U.S GOVT. WILL DO
If the airlines fail to entice pilots to work through higher salaries, QOL, benefits, pensions etc., you can bet that the govt. will mandate to airlines to provide MINIMUM salaries for pilots OR they will provide supplemental assistance (subsidies) to companies or pilot groups in order restore transportation and promote the “economic need, welfare and desire” for the pilot/individual to choose a career in aviation. They have already done that guaranteeing airline pensions.

Pilots and the Airlines know what conditions are currently like, and how those conditions affect each. However, the public and government don’t know or care at this point, because everything is moving along smoothly. That is because it isn’t an issue for them now. It is only an issue when it affects them OR when they know it MIGHT affect them.

ALPA might do well spending more time educating elected officials and the general public about the outcomes of a “Pilot shortage” as well as the “Severe Safety Concerns” of these 250 hour pilots with extremely new decision making skills. And as a pilot group, it would do us well NOT to take the first job offered and NOT to succumb to the LURE of being a JET PILOT. It’s because of this (emotional) lure, (it’s definitely not an economic lure) that has the airlines providing us our lunch and eating it for us too.

So for what it’s worth, I’m not just bashing SKYW, quite frankly, I’m surprised they are not taking a proactive stance and raising the bar forcing others to keep up with them. Imagine if they paid $35/hr to a 1st year FO, $54 for his/her 2nd year, etc. You would get more qualified, skilled and seasoned pilots. Pilots might consider holding out to work for SKYW. (SKYW might not get or renew contracts because they would be over priced) HOWEVER, (the other airlines that did get the business might not be able to fill pilot positions at such menial wages to fly the business that was won.)

E

Nice post. btw, I made 12k as a CFI/charter pilot last year and I'll be flying turboprops not jets for SKW. :)

Congratulations on your new career.

Good post Ellen. I agree mostly in principle. I have a statement or two to add, but I am real busy this week. I will dig up this post Thursday or Friday and write you a response.

Excellent post, Ellen. I agree with a large part of it, although not the part about "if you don't like the wages, go somewhere else." It's not feasible in this seniority-based business. Just curious though, if you're a passenger and not a pilot, why such an interest in our profession? That previous post obviously took a lot of your time.

Ellen,
Good post. There's some good foresight in that post. There's lots of things that could happen and should happen in our chosen career paths. Some we can change some we can't. Like Seatownflyer I barely made 11k last year as a flight instructor so right now 19 looks pretty good. It's almost double what I have now. I'm a single male who can live on ramen noodles and rice and has done that before when I was a student teacher.
I know how easy it is to see JETS and get all googly eyed even with what some would say is a crap salary. But still (and I'm not saying the pay is great) it is only one year. Second year isn't that great but look at upgrade times right now. 2 years and then what does the pay jump too? And then with the rate at which pilots are retiring from the majors a "new" pilot can get licked up from the regional and then is he still on food stamps or where does his salaray go then? There's dues to pay. I'm paying them, I'm gonna pay them with a smile on my face (not cause I think the ceo needs another town house) but because I know that every pilot in front of me had to go through the same thing I'm doing now. It's all in how someone looks at something. Is the glass half full or half empty. Do we complain about everything just to complain? Isn't there a lot more that we can worry about like our customers the passengers? Can't we focus on why we HAVE a job in the first place?
I'm not coming down on anyone this is just where I see it now. who knows it may change.
I've sat 6 months waiting to go back to Skywest for several reasons. One of them being this. They don't have a Union. This says something about management. If a union was needed there'd be one. The failure of the union drives over the past few years tells me that the pilots feel that someone in management actually cares. Not like some other places where management is there to kill the pilot group and the only thing holding them back is the threat of strikes from the unions. I don't work for jerks and that's how the union vs management issue comes across to me.

And what about Skywest's benefits? That hasn't been addressed yet.

I do understand the Seniority system, and unfortunately I am not sure how one would go about circumventing it. Obviously top sales producers in a business move up quickly and are given more responsibility and more money, but as far as flying an airplane . . . You are not producing anything. You are basically a glorified taxi/bus driver. An obvious professional though. How do you rate someone on ability? It takes the same skill to land a plane empty as it does full.

In regard to wages . . if you don't like it go somewhere else (airline or completely different career) It is a valid argument. We as individuals have many many choices where to spend our time in return for dollars. (Sell Real Estate, become a doctor, Work as a sales person, etc . . ) They too require learning and time investment but they could offer greater financial rewards, even possibly better QOL as well.

A few other comments not addressed in my previous post include:

WHAT THE GOVT. WILL DO?
They just relaxed the age requirement to 65 vs. 60. Here is a very current real time example of how Govt. is getting involved today. This will offset the pilot shortage by about 3,800 over the next 5 years. Just a small amount.

and I definitely forgot . . . .

OVERSEES COMPETITION
Many oversees airlines are hiring US pilots at far greater wages, they include free housing, no taxes, allowance for a car, etc. It's happening already. And U.S Airlines are NOT reacting. They are not going on the offensive to retain pilots with better wages, QOL, benefits, etc. They are trying to trim fat where fat doesn't exist, change regulations, merge, and do all sorts of other things instead paying an acceptable wage and focus on GROWING the business. Right now airlines are trying to keep the business that they have vs. concentrating on setting themselves apart from the others.

RETENTION OF EMPLOYEES
This trickles down to all areas of the company from management, to Flight Operations to In-Flight, to Gate Agents and CSR as well as Rampers. . . . These companies are now spending more and more money on training and retraining and hiring and doing exit interviews and hiring and training, etc . . . than if they just would step back decide to up the ante a bit (wages and benefits) and hire and train only once. Employees are QUITTING for greener pastures. Airlines are not firing employees. They cannot afford to. So what happens when everyone quits???


I fly many miles a year for business, many different airlines (purposely). Family has been involved in aviation and I am an avid Stock Market player skilled in the transportation sector. This site gives me inside knowledge to the state of the industry with regards to the people who are front line.

Ellen,
You mention that the public doesnt realize that pilots have to have an extra job and therefore that may compromise safety.

Well, I am a police officer and did you know police officers have to have extra jobs as well and that too can compromise the publics safety as well as the officer

I would have to agree with you ELLEN on most of your principles as well. I am going to SkyWest for many reasons and know I WILL be taking a huge paycut for my first year. I am not out there chasing the ever so great JET JOB! I have put in my time and Years to flying. Rest easy someday if your flying on SkyWest and I am in the cockpit there wont be a 300 hour pilot but an 3800 hour ATP. Remember not all of us on here are young kids. You will get to your destination safely so I can go home and spend quality time with my son! Happy travels! Anybody have some idea on how good the benefits may or may not be at SkyWest? :)

What kind of travel benefits do skywest pilots get?

To answer the original question, the reason it's difficult to find info on benefits is because there's a 20-30 page long book to read on all the options that you have. Even different domiciles have different plans..... for ex. mine has a copay for the medical. But there's many many options that any person could potentially have.

Travel:

you get free travel on Delta anywhere in the US and south america. you get 3 free international travel days on Delta to all other destinations.

You get travel benefits on United which are almost worthless. most people jumpseat because its free. if you nonrev united, you pay a fee based on the length of the leg.

you get benefits for you, wife/domestic partner (official paperwork needed), parents, and kids. they can nonrev on SKYWEST flights for free (not asa, not any other carrier at all). on united and delta, they nonrev for a price that is not as good as other airlines (including mesa surprisingly).

hope that helps. our benefits are nowhere near as good as ASA by the way. they get to name anyone at all to be their beneficiary for free travel, not just a spouse. and they get a lot more international travel on delta, and their parents fly free on delta.

Medical: United

Dental: Delta

Vision: EyeMed

It's only an excellent post if you are anwsering the question this thread was originally posted for, which it still does not.

-B767 - If you ever get an answer, please let me know, as SkyWest is top on my list.

Are you sure that wives don't get unlimited on Delta domestic for free (like the employee) ??

I thought I read that somewhere...

Wife & kids free on DAL, north, south america & caribbean. 3 days/year each for other international travel.

The most common option for SKW is the UnitedHealthCare PPO. It's a little more than $100 per month for an individual or $200 per month for a couple. $300 deductible per individual, $2000 max out of pocket per individual, $20 office visit, $20 urgent care visit, $75 emergency room visit, and a drug tier pricing system.

There's around 6 other health insurance options to choose from.

wow your health benifits are expensive.

What are they at Pinnacle?

65 a pay check for me and my family. that includes dental, and 9 dollars a pay check for vision. 10 copay for office, urgentcare, and i think 25 for the e.r. (dont remember what it is and i haven't had to use it yet!) 5 dollars for perscriptions. Pinnacle actually has really good benefits as far as health care, medical loss protection (in addition to what alpa gives us), and vision. Copay on vision is 10 dollars for eye exam and 10 dollars for contacts/glasses. the benifts haven't changed but we have changed companies to United Healthcare. Pinnacle is self insured so that helps keep costs down. i would have to look up the rest of the stuff but i think the max out of pocket for my family is 2000 total.

This is why I am on my wife's insurance. Not only does she make considerable more than I do but she's in HR and understand the loop holes. We haven't seen a Dr bill since our little girl was born. It cost us about $200 a month (Full Family) for Health, Dental & Vision but that includes:

$1000 individual/$3000 family max out of pocket
$250 deductible (Health only) then 95/5 in net and 90/10 out
$10 Dr Co-pay
$10 Meds
$50 Emergency Room
$0 deductible for Dental and Vision
$0 Co-pay on Dental and Vision
And more.....

Now if we could only get this at SkyWest.