That won't help staffing. If it does come, I am quitting. I don't think I would be alone either.

That CEO is so clueless, they're still stuck in the mode that pilots will do anything to get to a major job. They still think that there's a bunch of kids out there looking starry eyed up at the sky. Nobody wants to do this job anymore because it's been stripped of any benefit. Even the lower tier majors look a lot like Regionals with bigger planes fighting over making a fair wage. The kids aren't stupid, they know that the nice view won't pay their skyrocketing debt. The only way to get pilots back is to raise pay.

Most pilots will. I'm amazed at what pilots will do to get flight time to have a chance at the majors.

Admittedly it kicks the can down the road for another 5 years. However, to the average Regional manager, that's 5 more years of paying low wages.

I'm sure the lobby is cranking up in Congress as we speak. Considering other countries have made the move (Canada, Japan), its only a matter of time before we follow.

Years ago sure. If you haven't noticed, nobody is showing up for classes anymore.

I'm sure some will work to 70 and more power to them if that's what they want. Hopefully most planned accordingly and don't have to work that long. I can't imagine the job is so amazing at the majors that you'd stay any longer than you have to.

True, but also two of the most healthy countries on the planet, in comparison to the US. Iv seen dozens of US pilots that won't even fit in a normal coach/Eco comfort seat without bulging into the seat next to them. Doubt they'd make it to 70 at all. Let alone work with a Class 1 medical. I'm not trying to be a jerk, just stating the facts. Our country has health problems as a whole.

At the same time I think many can and would work to 70. But out of the amount of pilots who are even close to 65, minus the ones that can't get a medical, and those who choose not to continue, would it really help? Maybe, but even less of an effective bandaid on said gushing wound the 65 age increase "bandaid" was meant to heal.

There is no pilot shortage.
And this from personal experience
Just new wine in old bottles( regionals now and then)

Your premise is false. Deltas rates for a CRJ 900 start about $50.00 more per hour for a Captain than a regional Captain that operates the same airframe.


CRJ900
12 $139
11 $138
10 $137
9 $136
8 $135
7 $134
6 $133
5 $132
4 $131
3 $130
2 $129
1 $128

Regional pilots do indeed subsidize mainline wages and that's the way ALPA wants it.

Easy, this is what's called a business in which you're free to patronize this business as a customer or work for them as a employee. No one is forcing a participant to do either!

So as an AA customer, how exactly do I purchase a ticket on PSA? Or if I want to purchase a ticket on AA and do not want to ride PSA, how do I do that?

As a customer, these decisions are made for me by AA management, I don't have a choice and I am forced one way or another. As far as being forced to be an employee, doesn't seem to be a need for that as many are choosing to stay away on their own.

Wait there is a shortage of pilots 200k in debt willing to work for 20k per year.... Colour me shocked!

I don't think you understand the question. What I'm getting at is, American (for example) has a contracted pilot labor force to do its flying at certain pay rates. Then American decides it wants pilots flying their passengers at cheaper rates, so instead of negotiating it creates "separate companies" that it owns, manages, and directly collects profits from (meaning, not so separate). I'm questioning the legality of this, not to mention how the heck the mainline union allowed it in the first place..

Even with scope voted away I don't see how it's legal to sidestep their labor contract with their pilots by making wholly-owned companies that it owns, manages, and directly collects profits from, for the sole purpose of acquiring cheaper labor costs to fly the very same passengers. Outside contracts with separately owned and managed companies (regionals who keep their own profits) make more sense, legally anyway. It also keeps the negotiating table more balanced. Would be much harder to negotiate pay cuts, for example, without the threat of being shut down by your parent carrier. The regional carrier could simply find flying elsewhere, and the parent would lose their feed (requiring more mainline pilots or another contract).

Hopefully that makes more sense.

12 year pay cap.....SCABS

I try to stay on mainline flights as much as possible, But as a customer it is a lot harder to get to certain markets without taking one of the regionals.

I really feel like the regionals should have more distinguishing marks for every company. More than just that little sticker on everyone's nose saying what airline it is. Make it more obvious on the side that it is Mesa or GoJet or Envoy or RAH. That might wake up people to how many flights are not AA Delta or United operated.

CFI's pay doubled within last few years and what? Nothing, schools are desperate for CFIs... Non-jet 135's are desperate for CA, AMF and etc - doubled the pay - same result... Now its RJ turn...
See the trend? If u dont have new blood willing to get 100K debt, spend 2 years in traffic pattern and "less then decade" in RJ to get to decent level - you can do nothing but change whole system...

Mainline doesn't want the passenger to realize that they are not riding on a regional operated flight. They want a seamless product.

How many CRJs does Delta have on property?

If zero, the rates are a meaningless comparison.

Yes but the public should be aware of these things. Some "think" they are being served by mainline pilots and crew and are not. It might be a good way to force change.

The majority of the public is clueless. Just like believing there is a true pilot shortage

True but I'm guessing that will change with 50 seaters "going away". The 50 seater isn't going away from United, it's going away from the United brand. If that makes sense. Just a hunch.

The public does not and will not care. They just want to get from point A to point B.

Yes, that, and for the cheapest price possible.

Can confirm, a number of CFI options out there that pay in the 40k's (full salary, no hourly bullsh*t) with a number of significant benefits (bonuses, housing, 401k, ratings, etc.)

Please explain. That is not in any way what that word means or implies.

It's a joke. Sarcasm if you will.