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lakehouse 05-23-2016 06:04 PM

All alpa member back the Pac!!
 
Please everyone take one minute to back the pac, even 1 dollar a month, please take a second to select a month due check off for the pac.

It's your very effective and powerful voice in DC in the massive money driven political machine. Every alpa pilot should be donating something monthly. Love or hate alpa this is not the place to voice your opinion. This is your political lobby that is doing all they can and working well protecting your actual career.

http://www.alpa.org/~/link.aspx?_id=80E4FDCAA26C450B81CBC7B5ADF550EC&_z= z

payingdues 05-24-2016 05:57 PM

haha yeah i remember that time ALPA stood up for the regionals.... man were loaded down here. id love to support the pac... oh wait were EFFINING broke. what a joke. if we had a regional union id support it. but you know whats wild....the majors pilots could just vote us all in. but nahhh were gonna play the silly interview game. evennthough regionals contribute roughly 50% of the flights in mainline systems. but yeah screw NAI right. they must really exploit labor....oh wait....AAG, UAL, and DAL already do. why should i give a fuggg. country is already heading towards socialism anyway.

Bartender 05-24-2016 06:38 PM

Tell you what. I'll back the PAC when ALPA backs the regional pilot. Until then I can't afford it. Go ask a mainline pilot for my buck.

Mandrake 05-24-2016 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2134188)
Please everyone take one minute to back the pac, even 1 dollar a month, please take a second to select a month due check off for the pac.

It's your very effective and powerful voice in DC in the massive money driven political machine. Every alpa pilot should be donating something monthly. Love or hate alpa this is not the place to voice your opinion. This is your political lobby that is doing all they can and working well protecting your actual career.

http://www.alpa.org/~/link.aspx?_id=80E4FDCAA26C450B81CBC7B5ADF550EC&_z= z

username checks out

Celeste 05-24-2016 08:24 PM

I'd love to help out fighting NAI and such, but I'm tapped out. Not much of my RJ FO salary left at the end of the month after rent for my 575 sqft apartment, rediculous insurance premiums, the check engine light that just came on in my 15 year old car, student loans, and nearly 2% alpa dues.

Maybe one of these mainline captains making close to 10x my salary, that is having the dilemma of choosing between getting a new corvette or a new boat for his vacation house this summer can pick up my alpa pac tab...

Lvlng4Spd 05-24-2016 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2134188)
Please everyone take one minute to back the pac, even 1 dollar a month, please take a second to select a month due check off for the pac.

It's your very effective and powerful voice in DC in the massive money driven political machine. Every alpa pilot should be donating something monthly. Love or hate alpa this is not the place to voice your opinion. This is your political lobby that is doing all they can and working well protecting your actual career.

http://www.alpa.org/~/link.aspx?_id=80E4FDCAA26C450B81CBC7B5ADF550EC&_z= z

Not a chance in Hell. The fact that we have to "lobby" for what is right is a big crock of ****. I'll give my hard-earned money to people in need and those who deserve it.

CAirBear 05-24-2016 08:35 PM

Did you really think this post, in the regional threads, was going to go well for you?

I don't believe everything ALPA says. No one has 100% undeniable proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that IF NAI is allowed here that our profession and mainline jobs will go to ****.

I do not buy that at all.

Day4mx 05-24-2016 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2134879)
Did you really think this post, in the regional threads, was going to go well for you?

I don't believe everything ALPA says. No one has 100% undeniable proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that IF NAI is allowed here that our profession and mainline jobs will go to ****.

I do not buy that at all.

Idk man that cork to Boston route could shut us all down.

Celeste 05-25-2016 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2134879)
Did you really think this post, in the regional threads, was going to go well for you?

I don't believe everything ALPA says. No one has 100% undeniable proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that IF NAI is allowed here that our profession and mainline jobs will go to ****.

I do not buy that at all.

If you ever want a job at mainline, this should concern you. NAI is exploiting tax laws, labor laws, aviaton laws of various countries to get an unfair advantage. They are cherry picking different countries to base different parts of the operation at to cut expenses to a minimum. This is what happened to the maritime industry and now it is largely nonexistent. Granted, this won't have an effect on domestic flights, but there will likely be a loss in international routes and revenue, and therefore, jobs.

Just look at what the middle east carriers have done to routes to the middle east, with their government subsidies and access to really cheap fuel. How many us airlines are running routes to these places? United recently stopped flying to dubai because they couldn't compete up with emirates and etihad and still make a profit.


To the OP:

You're going to have a hard time getting this group to care. ALPA didn't seem to care when this type of thing was happening in their back yard, and lots of us have been screwed by it. We've been stuck in these jobs with poverty wages, $h!*** work rules, working 18-20 days a month, only to make $25-30k per year. For those of us who do care, we've already taken the time to write and call our congressmen, but that's all we can do. We're struggling to make ends meet, and there's no money to spare. Whatever extra money we can scrape together we have to spend on job fairs, apps, interview (hundreds to thousands $$) just to have the small chance that we can get out of this regional h*!!hole that the pilots at the majors (and alpa) created for us.

Metering 05-25-2016 03:40 AM

You know what? I already give ALPA money out of my pitiful regional FO salary.

When ALPA gets off their bloated asses and realize that regional flying is JUST as time consuming (More than Mainline), difficult (in most cases more than mainline) and just as heavy in the realm of responsibility (lets face it, flying 6 legs a day requires MUCH more focus than 1 or 2 legs) as mainline flying and backs Regional airlines and their pilots, maybe then - when regional pilot pay is negotiated to something more than pathetic - we would be able to afford to spend MORE on a Union that clearly doesn't care about the "little guys".

lakehouse 05-25-2016 04:52 AM

You all forget I'm a 6 year regional fo not by choice, commuting from a previous base.

I get it, but the Pac is the only thing that's going to prevent all of us from having no career at all in 15 year. You'd be begging for your little sub contractor job back when your digging holes.

Slick111 05-25-2016 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by Celeste (Post 2134913)
If you ever want a job at mainline, this should concern you. NAI is exploiting tax laws, labor laws, aviaton laws of various countries to get an unfair advantage. They are cherry picking different countries...............

Here's a question: Why does ALPA see it as THEIR job to fight NAI? Why don't we just leave it up to mainline airline management to fight "unfair" competition? A.P.A, S.W.P.A., A.F.A., and others don't appear to give two schits about NAI. Why does ALPA have their shorts in such a bunch over this.

More importantly, why won't ALPA pick a fight that (1) they can WIN and (2) will improve the lives of ALL of its members? Why is ALPA not demonstrating the same fervor and using the same resources (that they are wasting on NAI), to get us out of the ridiculous and antiquated Railway Labor Act?

You want to talk about "unfair" practices? Let's talk about the way airline managements have unfairly used the RLA to stall contract negotiations for up to a decade for some pilot groups, knowing that their employees hands are tied and negotiating positions are severely limited. THAT,..... is a PAC that I could get behind!

Until ALPA starts fighting for the regionals,....... they shouldn't be begging for money from the regionals.

Day4mx 05-25-2016 05:45 AM

Think of all the money alpa could use to fight nai if they weren't paying secretaries and envelope stuffers $175k.

Lvlng4Spd 05-25-2016 06:04 AM

Let's start a PAC against PACs. Let chaos reign!

iFlyRC 05-25-2016 06:16 AM

The fact the entire process is pay to play indicates that it is time for a reboot

MiLa 05-25-2016 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 2134988)
Here's a question: Why does ALPA see it as THEIR job to fight NAI? Why don't we just leave it up to mainline airline management to fight "unfair" competition? A.P.A, S.W.P.A., A.F.A., and others don't appear to give two schits about NAI. Why does ALPA have their shorts in such a bunch over this.

More importantly, why won't ALPA pick a fight that (1) they can WIN and (2) will improve the lives of ALL of its members? Why is ALPA not demonstrating the same fervor and using the same resources (that they are wasting on NAI), to get us out of the ridiculous and antiquated Railway Labor Act?

You want to talk about "unfair" practices? Let's talk about the way airline managements have unfairly used the RLA to stall contract negotiations for up to a decade for some pilot groups, knowing that their employees hands are tied and negotiating positions are severely limited. THAT,..... is a PAC that I could get behind!

Until ALPA starts fighting for the regionals,....... they shouldn't be begging for money from the regionals.

I would disagree about AFA, APA, etc. not caring. All were present in the picketing in D.C., along with numerous other industry labor unions affected by this. In fact the president of AFA gave one of the best speeches of the day... And I also think that NAI is something that will affect ALL ALPA members because of the affect it could have an career prospects...

ckelley 05-25-2016 07:15 AM

The ALPA PAC is AFL/CIO.
Why not cut out the middleman (middleperson, sorry) and donate directly to the Democratic National Committee.
Their carbon tax they say is needed to save the world will hurt you way more than NAI.


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