Silver & Frontier launch career program
 

How long to get MCO as a base for a new hire at Silver ?

“The professional pilot job market is rapidly evolving and this will put Silver Airways and Frontier in a highly competitive position, while offering current and future pilots a solid path to a career with a major airline.”

First of all Frontier is NOT a major airline. Second of all they need to build 1000 PIC at Silver before getting recommended to Frontier? A Silver captain with half or a quarter of that PIC that could get hired at a real major. No need to wait til 1000 PIC. That's just a retention clause right there. Sneaky.

Yeah conditional language all over the place. Want to bet that letter of rec gets withheld until Silver can afford to let you go? This is nice to have, but calling it a flow is dubious at best.

It isn't :confused:

Seems Wiki and the DoT classify it as a Group III 'major' airline

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majo..._United_States

Air Carrier Groupings | Bureau of Transportation Statistics

So you're telling me I can work for one of the lowest paid regionals so I can go work for the lowest paying LCC?

About as sketch as that 135 operator last year that offered a "flow" to psa.

https://globenewswire.com/news-relea...R-AIRWAYS.html

"Pilots who currently fly for Great Lakes Airlines or Silver Airways also will be eligible and encouraged to participate in the Career Pilot Program. Depending on staffing needs at the regional airlines."

This is the killer right here, Silver will never let go of their pilots.

This is a total scam. I know for a fact Frontier doesn't need this to hire pilots. Who knows how much they're getting from gla and silver for this.

Let's put it like this, before this silver didn't have enough pilots and even after this silver will not have enough pilots for a flow to work. People at silver had options to go to frontier before this and said no because frontier doesn't pay you in training.... so I don't really think things will change much there for now.


Only way this will work is if frontier starts paying in training and Silver starts paying people correctly to get people in the door. It's really hard to say if they will. During my time there which ended sometime back, they didn't seem to care about the pilots feelings not one bit.

And time to go from IAD will depend on them hiring more people. With the amount of people leaving to go to other places it could take awhile if they plan to keep IAD open and how badly they want to staff IAD over the other bases. And I wouldn't tell you to pick TPA base over MCO due to so few pilots in TPA. You will not be able to do any schedule changes due to lack of coverage unless you get someone to trade with you.

It's considered a National or LCC. Major airlines have to have a revenue of $1billion to be considered a major. Also it would be considered a Group II not a group III.
Either way, it's a misleading article.

No way. It's totally a major like Envoy and Skywest on the exact same list as Delta, United and American. They're all majors and the same because they're on a list together.

Not arguing the merits of this program, but just wanted to correct you. Frontier DOES pay during training. You get monthly guarantee (which 1st year and subsequent are crap relative to industry) starting day one. With that being said, you are responsible for your own lodging. Benefits start 1st of the month following your hire date.

Eh... That's crappy.

And......you didn't read either link I posted did you?

So to help all of those others who wish to at least know the right terms when discussing aviation and using facts - I'll post the relevant parts of both the Wiki link (but of course who can trust Wiki right ;)) and the DoT link.

WIKI:
From the DoT website:

Just like grunts and POGs are the same cause they're in a category together.

Don't know much about Frontier, but it sounds like some place to obtain an Airbus type short run then scram off to a real major that pays.

no one here is really saying you shouldn't flow per say. I was talking more along the lines that it is very unlikely anyone from Silver will get to flow. It could be like 1 maybe 2 people flowing a year due to the fact that they just don't have enough pilots.

if your losing like 5 to 10 people a month and your only taking in like maybe 2 to 6 people a month if they are lucky, the company is going to say they can't afford to lose anyone to the flow and it will be held off.

Either way you don't even have to wait for 1000 PIC at this point in the industry to be able to leave and go somewhere else other then Frontier and get paid better.

As for that i guess someone explained it to me wrong. I was under the idea that they weren't paying you at all.
But either way if your paying for your hotel you may as well not consider it being paid, because most if not all your money is going to the hotel and food to do frontier training. Which as chris said