And Skywest is startiing to falter on the flying that they've committed to as well.

IIRC, the ERJ renewal talks don't even begin until later this year. So that would be why they don't have anything slated for further out yet. But yet, the doom and gloom of many kill this airline. I'm not saying that we don't have our problems, as we do, but we are still in a much better position that many others as well.

And as far as upgrade time goes, the CRJ side will be about 6 years within the next year.

Oh really?

And 6 years is something to look forward to?

Now that the rate reset is done and supposedly postive it would probably be a good idea to bring on a limited amount of new airplanes. I believe we have a chicken or the egg problem here. If they announce more airplanes we would probably get new hires, but they aren't willing to take those new airplanes because they are afraid that the new hires wont come.

Before LOA 15 we probably would not have gotten the new hires even if we got new airplanes. Our new hire pay was one of the lowest in the industry and our upgrade time still would have been at least 3 or 4 years. Now that new hire pay is 37 for the 200 and 40 for the 70/90, I think that if they announnced growth we would be able to get the new hires.

Again this is all just opinion. I hope something good happens. I'm coming up on 4 years here and have no desire to go to another regional to get PIC time. I've already done the lateral move thing once, I'm not going to do it again.

Guess big U's fleet plan of 125, 50 seat RJ's by the end of 17 is nothing at all to worry about.
Thats what the first class passengers said on the titanic as well.

Could be good, or could be bad for the ERJ side. Plus, that is a plan that is 15 months away, a lot can change between now and then.

I don't think I would plan my career starting at an already dying regional on assumptions that may or may not happen.

Once again, is XJT all ERJ's, or is there a CRJ side with contracts that go for much longer?

unless they cancel the position notices come november. I'm at almost 9 years and still can't hold junior CA. I don't think the company really wants to upgrade anyone right now. More FOs leaving than CAs

9 years?Cant hold CA?? Wow.unless you live in base and dont want the headache of commuting ,why stick around?You can easily get a DEC position somewhere else im sure.
Even if i lived in base,after 9 years its probably time to move on in order to escape severe vareer stagnation.

Career....cant type on this dam phone lol

The company definitely wants upgrades. It's the only thing that's really hurting our recruiting efforts. One thing I will say though about upgrade time is that the gap between 9 year guys getting the upgrade now and 3-4 year guys like myself is shrinking a lot; atleast on CRJ side. Roughly only 150 guys in that gap of 5-6 years! Means if we ever got some damn growth upgrades will drop like they did at SkyWest. Not to long ago I remember they too had 7+ year upgrades. Amazing what some new EJets did to that upgrade time. Last I heard 2-3 yrs now, which is where Xjt needs to be and can be with some solid growth.

I hope so, ya 2-3 years is great. This company's future just seems so uncertain, and has no direction. Keep on keepin' on I guess lol I wonder if this voluntary captain displacement will keep up past the summer.

That's exactly why, too senior, too lazy with awesome schedule. ASA isn't a bad company, contract is pretty great if your senior. Probably one of the best ones out there. I definitely don't want to commute for another regional, and regionals are way to risky now. Too much unknown and flying being shifted around. Today its a DEC spot or 1 year upgrade, tomorrow it's displaced to FO or 3 year upgrade. Regionals are just 1 announcement away from 'Yay!' or 'Sh!t' depending on what their mainline partners decide to do. But I am moving on to greener pastures :D

I think they have been saying upgrades will be 3-4 years for the past 2-3 years... Maybe if you say it enough it will actually happen?

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As much as one would want to see new guys come to the front door, it just ain't happening. You got CAs on reserve 4-5 years, even FOs including myself over a year reserve. They say we are low on FOs but I haven't even broke guarantee this summer. I understand they want to keep as many reserves possibly just in case all hell breaks loose. Unless you live in Georgia or Detroit, I can't see why one would come here. Reserve is just too long. Don't let pilot recruiters brain wash you. You'll be reserve for a good amount of time. If you selected the 200, you'll be worked till you die with little pay. It's the reality! #aintevenmadbro

Looks like DFW 145s are going back to envoy starting in February - June.

Is this still true? Will DFW remain open even though you will be doing no flying out of DFW?

so who has heard the rumor of 20 200's coming out of the desert? I know 8 are just tail swaps, but what about the rest? Two guys on the crew bus were talking about it and someone posted it on a Delta thread.

Announcement said CRJ flying to continue in DFW. ERJs going back to Envoy starting in January. Those pilots will be transitioned back to the United side, so ERJ DFW base will likely close.

Love how "technical" the recruiter wasn't wrong. CRJ DFW won't close (yet). But who knows with that also.. Looks like inc wants out of the E145...i would guess XTJ will be all CRJ within the next few years.

It was a two year contract on the Envoy ERJs, so that is not surprising.

Stockholm syndrome much?

How so, what I said are facts. If growth comes, upgrades will fall off a cliff to reasonable time periods. Will it happen? Who knows! So far SkyWest keeping it all to themselves. Am I gonna stick around till it happens? Nope! Got my apps out to the majors just like everyone else. In the meantime I just try to be little optimistic than most based on what I see. Too many "Negative Nancy's" already here on this site! ;)

We have nine tear upgrades and a two and a half year furlogh gap. That brings upgrades to almost seven years by the time we reach that point, unless im missing something.

Because they didn't hire heavily until late 2012 and beyond. So the actual amount of people beyond the gap is very thin.


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There are less than 100 people between the most junior awarded captain (not done with upgrade training) and the September 27, 2010 LXJT recall pilot. He moved up about 17 last month. At that rate, he will be awarded an upgrade around March 2017, at which time our upgrade time will be under 6.5 years. Every month after that should see a reduction in upgrade times.

Quit being optimistic. That's isn't allowed on APC.

Sorry man! I tried, I just can't do it!! Flying with me is even worse 'cause I actually like my job.

How long is the reserve for the CRJ side in ATL? Would it be an easy commut from DAB or MCO?

Under a year for the CRJ, about a year for the 700.

As far as commuting goes, I heard MCO is a nightmare due to all the Delta commuters.

I commuted from MCO to ATL for a year, between SWA, F9, and the occasional Spirit it wasn't bad at all. Actually it was a lot less stressful than commuting to DTW which I did for 3 years. Kicked myself in the rear for not transferring sooner. Good luck!

Does anyone know the code required by Spirit to jumpseat in?. I tried EV, EV + employee number and neither of them worked.

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Which year?

How long is reserve in IAH? trying to decide between Mesa and XJET. I want to live in base so these are my top picks. Hard choice being they are 2 totally different airlines with plus and minuses.

Houston is the senior base. No one in my class got it out of training. Reserve probably would be a while but if you live local that's not much of an issue. Xjet is definitely a better quality airline than Mesa but Mesa has the nice new planes.

How long would it take to transfer into iah?

Once the United CPP begins at the end of this year you will see movement starting again. I would expect you could hold any base by early 2017.

If it's any indication, the seniority list shows May 2016 hires in IAH