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tennisguru 07-23-2016 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by squib (Post 2166805)
I highly doubt that, but cool story bro.

PSA regularly uses 1300-1500 lbs as reserve fuel in the 200. On flights with no tanker fuel or an alternate there is supposed to be a ~600 pad added on top of that, but you can eat through that quickly if you're not paying attention or with ATC wrenches thrown in thus a certain percentage of our flights land around the 1500 lb mark or a little above.

WesternSkies 07-23-2016 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2166776)
Just because we occasionally hear a pilot for any given airline make a snide comment here or there, does not mean the pilot group he/she works with as a whole is any less of a "great bunch of folks".

Right on.

For many years guys got bitter with stagnation. It is unfortunate these people passed their bitterness on to the "new class" while these bitters have gone back to normal at their new major job. I'll sit and listen to these fellas complain in the Jumpseat, I just hope their outlook on their fellow pilot can start over at the majors. Young and impressionable when they showed up at a rough time.

pitchtrim 07-23-2016 08:52 PM

Lol, yeah those magnificent AA pilots that know how to jumpseat properly and have etiquette...like the one on my jumpseat that took a phone call taxiing down K to 9l in phl after he told a bunch of stories about hot @ss on tv.

billyho 07-24-2016 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by pitchtrim (Post 2166944)
Lol, yeah those magnificent AA pilots that know how to jumpseat properly and have etiquette...like the one on my jumpseat that took a phone call taxiing down K to 9l in phl after he told a bunch of stories about hot @ss on tv.

Don't complain about it if you allowed it.:rolleyes:

squib 07-24-2016 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 2166877)
PSA regularly uses 1300-1500 lbs as reserve fuel in the 200. On flights with no tanker fuel or an alternate there is supposed to be a ~600 pad added on top of that, but you can eat through that quickly if you're not paying attention or with ATC wrenches thrown in thus a certain percentage of our flights land around the 1500 lb mark or a little above.

He said AWAC jumpseat, not PSA. You will (currently) never see those numbers on an AWAC release nor would a pilot ever leave the gate with that amount of fuel.

squib 07-24-2016 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 2166967)
Don't complain about it if you allowed it.:rolleyes:

Well the jumpseater was probably going with the flow of things as both the pilots were most likely texting or catching pokemon.

pitchtrim 07-24-2016 06:59 AM

Or we were doing our jobs and caught off guard.

Chris Hansen 07-24-2016 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by WakeWash (Post 2166565)
I don't think AWAC has a better performance, and that's from my experience on them. I love the crews there and all, and it's not their fault, but they aren't referred to as AirWiscancel for no reason...

I don't fly for either company. But I assume you work for PSAaayyyywearegoingoffacliff (insert saved by EMAS---CRW). See what I did there? That is about as stupid as the rest of these little made up names.

Air Wiscancel. $hitstreak. It's all the same. Proud RJ operators with either 50/76/80+ people ****ed off in the back. One is no better than another, it is a means to an end.

Bottom line: people buy a ticket on AA. They board a plane from A-B, B-C. One may or may not be operated by an rj operator. Not one of those people really cares whether they're on air Wiscancel or psaywearegoingoffacliff.

billyho 07-24-2016 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by pitchtrim (Post 2167069)
Or we were doing our jobs and caught off guard.

Did you say something when you were off guard? If you didn't then don't whine about it.

Junkyard Dog 07-24-2016 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by slammer1906 (Post 2165925)
PDT and PSA pilots would love to see AWAC go away. Had 2 different PSA pilots mention all the rumors swirling, in the same day.
A PDT pilot bragged about how they're taking AWAC flying, on the Philly ramp freq last week.
How sad....


That's fine
They can have HPN and FWA or BGR


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