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groovinaviator 02-27-2007 01:11 AM


Originally Posted by captchris (Post 124952)
... nice try there buddy I wonder how you fly going from your C-172 to your ERJ.

Let's face it... none of us really like Saab's rants and arrogant comments, but he did fly the Saab before she flew the ERJ... yes I know I said she, but what would a post on this forum be without some sort of insult... I digress... see the "no gojets in our jumpseat" thread to see Saab and I hurling insults only enough to find a mutual respect for one another out of complete dis-agreement on most things.

I will admit she (there it is again :))is a more experiencied pilot than me... probably better too. There it is folks... you heard it here first.

LONG LIVE AWAC!!!!!!!


haha j/k :D

JoeyMeatballs 02-27-2007 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by captchris (Post 124952)
Have to fly to the same standards as you... FYI before you spout off again... last month with one extra trip out of open time I picked up 16 hours of pay+75=91 hours. ACTUALLY flew ~30..... nice try there buddy I wonder how you fly going from your C-172 to your ERJ.

Your rediculous, I wnet from a 172 to a SAAB to the ERJ, get a clue

JoeyMeatballs 02-27-2007 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by groovinaviator (Post 125082)
Let's face it... none of us really like Saab's rants and arrogant comments, but he did fly the Saab before she flew the ERJ... yes I know I said she, but what would a post on this forum be without some sort of insult... I digress... see the "no gojets in our jumpseat" thread to see Saab and I hurling insults only enough to find a mutual respect for one another out of complete dis-agreement on most things.

I will admit she (there it is again :))is a more experiencied pilot than me... probably better too. There it is folks... you heard it here first.

LONG LIVE AWAC!!!!!!!


haha j/k :D

So now I am a women ha??????????? hmmmmmmmmmm in that case there is a few things I have alwasy wanted to try Beback Later fellas haha

groovinaviator 04-02-2007 02:25 PM

Well aparetnly the FO supply here in ORF is running a bit dry... 10 FO's were awarded lines in ORF to take effect in July. Finally I'll be going to work to work and not just sit around the crashpad and contemplate my exsistence. At last some movement!

saab2000 04-02-2007 04:13 PM

Groovy aviator,

Did you finally get a line? Cool! I didn't get Captain in the latest award..... But I am a bit closer.

Glad to hear you are getting along a bit.

How are things in ORF?

BoilerUP 04-02-2007 08:14 PM

Sure was a lot of odd movement around for FOs in the award...

saab2000 04-03-2007 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 143056)
Sure was a lot of odd movement around for FOs in the award...

That's because they hadn't had a vacancy for so long and a lot of people got sick of being where they were.

I didn't move around, though I actually did think of going back to ORF. I still think it would not be a bad place to be once I upgrade and sit reserve. At least in ORF I can afford an apartment, unlike DCA.

bizzum 04-03-2007 05:16 AM

Well still no line for this guy in PHL.....almost 14 months and counting........:mad:

saab2000 04-03-2007 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by bizzum (Post 143147)
Well still no line for this guy in PHL.....almost 14 months and counting........:mad:

That sucks. Do you commute?

I am trying hard to get out so I hope I can help out here!! But I am too close to the upgrade to make a lateral move, so odds are I will be around unless something better comes along...... :confused:

bizzum 04-03-2007 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 143157)
That sucks. Do you commute?

I am trying hard to get out so I hope I can help out here!! But I am too close to the upgrade to make a lateral move, so odds are I will be around unless something better comes along...... :confused:

I do commute, that is why I have not went down to ORF, just to much of a PITA to get down there. PHL and DCA are the only bases that would really work for me. I dropped the ball during the last vacancy and should have went to DCA, but that was 6 months ago, and who would have thought PHL RSV would last this long?

XJPILOT1 04-03-2007 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 125101)
Your rediculous, I wnet from a 172 to a SAAB to the ERJ, get a clue

Now that's honorable career progression!! Soon you'll be adding that 7-3 type, or was that a secret. ;)

trevtt600 04-03-2007 04:59 PM

Well maybe that is a good sign in ORF. I just got awarded ORF out of training (which i am still in now). Well have to see what happens. Have the reserves in ORF been flying more lately?

groovinaviator 04-03-2007 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by trevtt600 (Post 143530)
Well maybe that is a good sign in ORF. I just got awarded ORF out of training (which i am still in now). Well have to see what happens. Have the reserves in ORF been flying more lately?


Yes... and by yes i mean no. I have flown less than 15 legs this year! I was talking to a another FO reserve here in ORF who has been here about 4-5 months less than me who has just as much time in the airplane as i do. Apparently there is very little rhyme or reason to who gets to fly and who does not... I unfortunately do not fly. I actually have my PC at the end of this month and have less than 150 hours in the airplane... oh so hillarious! :D

bizzum 04-03-2007 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by groovinaviator (Post 143533)
Yes... and by yes i mean no. I have flown less than 15 legs this year! I was talking to a another FO reserve here who has been here about 4-5 months less than me who has just as much time in the airplane as i do. Apparently there is very little rhyme or reason to who gets to fly and who does not... I unfortunately do not fly. I actually have my PC at the end of this month and have less than 150 hours in the airplane... oh so hillarious! :D

If you want to fly come to PHL. I almost broke guarantee last month!

kansas 04-03-2007 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by groovinaviator (Post 143533)
Yes... and by yes i mean no. I have flown less than 15 legs this year!

That's rough, 15 legs is all in a good day here at Lakes, maybe you should come over here. ;) (Actually 9-10 legs is the highest I've heard of in a day here)


Originally Posted by groovinaviator (Post 143533)
Apparently there is very little rhyme or reason to who gets to fly and who does not... I unfortunately do not fly.

Glad to know that my airline isn't the only one like that...I like to call it "ping pong ball" reserve, because it's about as scientific as the lottery.

trevtt600 04-03-2007 07:36 PM

I want PHL. But im the lowest senority in AWAC pilots now. I go were they put me. Hopefully they i can get phl next bid. Im hearing 10 or so a month for classes. so lets see what happens.

ghilis101 04-03-2007 07:38 PM

so jealous of you awac guys. you guys are a classy operation and you operate out of my favorite base, phl

BoilerUP 04-03-2007 07:42 PM

HA, probably a good chunk of our FOs would trade you PHL for your seniority at Skywest...

ghilis101 04-03-2007 07:49 PM

hah, my seniority? im the bottom FO in my domicile. i flew 12 hours in March. your FO's arent too happy there at AWAC?

BoilerUP 04-03-2007 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 143617)
your FO's arent too happy there at AWAC?

Grass-is-greener syndrome...although it could also be called "Skywest is in DEN, ORD, and now MKE with a 2 year upgrade syndrome" regarding some AWAC pilots.

ghilis101 04-03-2007 07:52 PM

ahhh good point. sucks you guys didnt get that MKE flying especially since nobody at SKW wants it

BoilerUP 04-04-2007 06:36 AM

For all the wannabes and those stuck on RSV - looks like AWAC lost 18 people in March, and 7 already for April. I know a couple of those 25 were from the bottom of the RSV FO list. Small newhire classes are planned for 4/16 and 4/30.

I've met 3 CAs in the last 3 days that are waiting to hear from the April Southwest Decision Board...and all have had their references contacted.

We'll go from overstaffed to junior manning before we know it!:D

PeanutButter 04-04-2007 05:30 PM

philly here i come! i don't care how long i'll be in rsv, i am just glad to work for the best regional out there!

saab2000 04-04-2007 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by PeanutButter (Post 143964)
philly here i come! i don't care how long i'll be in rsv, i am just glad to work for the best regional out there!

Are you from PHL or from somewhere with an easy commute? (DCA, MHT, ABE, PIT are among some of the 'easy' commutes if there is such a thing....)

I am happy you are getting with your dream airline and I hope you like it. We have been in a bit of the doldrums lately, but there is starting to be some movement. We just had a few upgrades and word is that in another month or so we will have another vacancy with more upgrades.

Hopefully we can claw our way back to the top of the heap, but as long as we work on the east coast for the airline with the most passenger complaints of any US carrier it will be an uphill battle. We work out of some tough places.

Look at it this way - you will likely never again work in a more frustrating work environment than at AWAC. Not all of it is AWAC's fault. Some yes. Some no.

Welcome aboard!!

PeanutButter 04-04-2007 05:43 PM

of course nobody is perfect, but for my condition, AWAC and philly is the most ideal!

captchris 04-06-2007 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by trevtt600 (Post 143530)
Well maybe that is a good sign in ORF. I just got awarded ORF out of training (which i am still in now). Well have to see what happens. Have the reserves in ORF been flying more lately?

Last month I flew about 54 hrs, credited 89:20 thanks to daily open time(March). Feb. was slow, April I have picked up a two day out of open time, and flown 4 days so far this month and it is the 6th of April. Groon...do you request last out every sequence?

groovinaviator 04-06-2007 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by captchris (Post 144952)
Groov...do you request last out every sequence?

haha... hardly. They know I want to fly, but for whatever reason any open time I want to pick up is always denied stating "must maintain reserve coverage"... even on my days off. Actually I have never requested last out, but I don't think they even care what you request... all they recognize is the small picture. I think I am finally up to about 15 legs... THIS YEAR!!! Gotta love min pay and no per diem. I still have less than 150 hours in the airplane and my sim partner from last summer has over 400. Why... your guess is as good as mine.

Korean1DR 04-06-2007 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by captchris (Post 144952)
Last month I flew about 54 hrs, credited 89:20 thanks to daily open time(March). Feb. was slow, April I have picked up a two day out of open time, and flown 4 days so far this month and it is the 6th of April. Groon...do you request last out every sequence?

No he doesn't... I crashpad w/ the guy and he doesn't request last out. Infact, he does everything possible to try to fly. Here in ORF, you DO NOT FLY on rsv. I took my PC last month with 140 hrs. in the plane. There is rarely opentime down here, if ever. THIS IS HOW IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST 10 MONTHS. At present, there IS movement starting to happen, so I'm not going to say that this will continue. IF it does however, don't be surprised...

StillInstructin 04-06-2007 01:14 PM

ORF and PHL checked in, but what about DCA based pilots? Whats it lookin like over there?

captchris 04-06-2007 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Korean1DR (Post 144960)
No he doesn't... I crashpad w/ the guy and he doesn't request last out. Infact, he does everything possible to try to fly. Here in ORF, you DO NOT FLY on rsv. I took my PC last month with 140 hrs. in the plane. There is rarely opentime down here, if ever. THIS IS HOW IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST 10 MONTHS. At present, there IS movement starting to happen, so I'm not going to say that this will continue. IF it does however, don't be surprised...

Yeah I know I work for the company.... I have been flying a lot (ORF based) and picking up open time from the daily opentime pot. Granted this month I picked up trips out of DCA because I live about 1.5 hrs from each base. I just can't figure out why I have RGS/PC two months before my grace month!

captchris 04-06-2007 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by StillInstructin (Post 144968)
ORF and PHL checked in, but what about DCA based pilots? Whats it lookin like over there?

Some classmates are DCA based and they don't fly much at all either, more than ORF... but not quite as much as PHL.

Korean1DR 04-06-2007 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by captchris (Post 144987)
Yeah I know I work for the company.... I have been flying a lot (ORF based) and picking up open time from the daily opentime pot. Granted this month I picked up trips out of DCA because I live about 1.5 hrs from each base. I just can't figure out why I have RGS/PC two months before my grace month!

So you are rsv ORF? How have you been getting around "maintain rsv coverage...?" Everyone's been getting PC/RGS 2 months early... mine was 3 months...

BoilerUP 04-06-2007 02:22 PM

My RGS was 3 months prior to base month, PC two months prior (days before end of probation).

I dunno about DCA based reserve FOs, but I did get a last turn dropped this past week 24 hours ahead of time. I also know of a DCA RSV FO that recently left to go fly the CRJ at RAH...

Korean1DR 04-06-2007 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 145004)
My RGS was 3 months prior to base month, PC two months prior (days before end of probation).

I dunno about DCA based reserve FOs, but I did get a last turn dropped this past week 24 hours ahead of time. I also know of a DCA RSV FO that recently left to go fly the CRJ at RAH...

Yea I know of a couple FO's here that left for SKW and Mesaba...

trevtt600 04-06-2007 05:16 PM

Groon.. Are you Ready Reserve by chance? I know that they will not let ready reserve pick up time cause they need you at the airport for those so called "emergency times." I Just got awarded ORF, but am hopping to go to PHL after this next new hire class comes in. If not, are there enough crash pads in ORF? Ill need to get something there. I don't want to move just yet.

groovinaviator 04-06-2007 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by trevtt600 (Post 145103)
... Groon... Are you Ready Reserve by chance?....

No... I was last October and November but now I am currently number 5 on the reserve list. I was actually awarded a line starting in July.

And about a crashpad... The place Korean1DR and I stay is full, but I'm sure the owner would say otherwise...

flyerfly 04-07-2007 08:32 AM

Hey guys. I have an interview at AIRWIS on the 17th. Sara said its the second group of interviews this month and this month marks the first interviews in 4 months. I am currently at TSA so anywhere is better. Its always been a goal to fly for AIRWIS. Good pay. Do you think that the hiring of new pilots will help you groov. Its the industry standard...I get hired you go up. Do you think AIRWIS is too fat on crews? And if so why are they hiring?

BoilerUP 04-07-2007 08:44 AM

Wiskey was overstaffed (supposedly; many argue properly-staffed) during the winter and reserves in Norfolk don't fly much because it is an outstation domicile, but with recent attrition we're getting back to normal (many argue slightly understaffed) levels. With the hiring that will be going on upstream this summer, and with FOs leaving to chase faster upgrades or going into 91/135 flying, we need folks in the pipeline soon so that we don't have the same staffing issues this summer everybody else is having now.

Good luck on your interview!

groovinaviator 04-07-2007 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by flyerfly (Post 145369)
...Do you think that the hiring of new pilots will help you groov? Its the industry standard... I get hired you go up. Do you think AIRWIS is too fat on crews? And if so why are they hiring?

I think it is a logical fallicy to assume that because more pilots are hired that i move up. How I see it is the only way I move up is if people senior to me leave. The adidition of Pilots junior to me doesn't hurt my situation, but in that case I would only move up relative to the size of the whole pilot group, but not climb the seniority list.

AWAC is still a little fat, but I believe we have now started a routine of diet and exercise and hopefully will be more balanced from here on.
Come on over, we would love to have ya. Tell all my buddies there at TSA that I went to Parks with to come on over too.

flyerfly 04-07-2007 01:45 PM

Hey thank you both very much. I hope to be at AIRWIS for their first new hire class. Fly Safe! God Bless!


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