JayBee

anyone got #s on Xjet per month ?

airboxdriver

TSA is between classes of 2 to 6 per month....

NotMrNiceGuy

As of July 1, XJT has hired 169 pilots that are still with the company since January 1. Averages to about 28/month. 72 on the LASA side and 97 on LXJT side.

TimetoClimb

Skywest 70
Endeavor 55
Compass ? 25 ?
TSA <10
PSA 10-15
Republic ?
Envoy 20
Piedmont <10
Commutair 10-20?
Expressjet 30
Silver/Greatlakes/Penair ? 30 total?

So 200-250 guys entering the 121 world each month. 5% fail out maybe. 2500/yr civilian , that's about the ammount of retirements right ? Seems like the pipeline is fine, just not producing a surplus.

Is offline

They do not want anyone to believe that. If there is not a surplus of pilots they can't keep their cheap feed of regionals. Anyone who would start a career in the airlines now needs to have their head examined.

There is no pilot shortage! The more applicants they get the more they can keep poverty wages.

zondaracer

How many at Mesa?
Also, Great Lakes has no shortage of FO applicants for the 135 side. Lots of guys still coming up through the pipeline.

stanthecaddy

I wonder how many are retreads? Seems like if mesa and gojet and gteat lakes are filling classes there's little hope wages will improve.

zondaracer

I know that Great Lakes is not filling classes. They need 121 FOs and captains. The apps they were getting were for 135 FO, no shortage of 250hr commercial pilots.

MKUltra

I don't have a quantifiable number but many of pdt people are not new fresh. Mostly people from other airlines or people who were in the airlines years ago.

Punkah Louvre

My experience Sir is that there's significantly more than a 5% dropout rate. Ive been through training in 2 regionals. (Both on this list)
One passed everyone in the class, but had a huge number of people leave within a month or two. Some went to the Majors, granted, but many went back to Corporate or Government flying. I'd estimate half of my class left in the first 3 months.
The other has a fairly well documented ~15% dropout rate in training, again, some simply can't keep up, but others leave to return to their previous jobs. 121 isn't for everyone. Once IOE is completed at this company however, i've not heard of a soul leaving.
I would suggest the first year dropout rate is 15 to 20% of day one new hires. Perhaps more. The are plenty of rumors about the majors having substantial training dropouts too; though most of them simply transfer to their 'preferred' major.
The rate at which the stronger regionals are attracting pilots, and the less strong failing to retain them adds weight to the argument that the shortage is in fact, very real. If nothing else, look at first year pay. It's gone from ~$25k to perhaps in excess of $50k in the last 18 months.
PL.