chrisreedrules

Most of the PSA 4 days are commutable, and if they aren't just SAP out of them and into commutable trips. I'd say the average 4 day here is anywhere from 14-18 hours. Anything over 20 hours I'd consider a good trip. Over 25 and commutable and we're starting to talk unicorn status. Some 3 days have good credit too. I've seen a few 20 hour 3 days.

word302

Which is why I said average

Varks

Legacy AA. I have two trips with 18.10 a 22 hour, and an 20 hour. All four days. Very inefficient. Some are commutable both ends one is commutable on one end. We spend massive amounts of time in hotels. Believe it or not it has improved. I have consistently worked 20 plus days a month in the past. I used to do a three day 10:24. 23 days I worked one month. JFK-BDA sit for 30 plus hours and one leg home. Not bad in summer but not good in winter. We have no minimum day off unless you are on reserve.

Skyhawk92

That was always my thought, until the PSA SAP for September. Probably the worst open trips I have seen since I started.

I literally checked it every hour for the entire 24 hours and was only able to make one decent trade.

Worked my ass off and ended up with 15 days off and just over guarantee.


But talking about 4 days. I have to go start packing for my 12.5 hour 4 day tomorrow. Thanks PSA.

CLT Guy

Good God man. That is a trip that you call in sick for.

I did see a 9.5 hour 4 day trip on the CLT CA SAP board.

Some pilots actually like those, believe it or not. The Sim Instructors are being forced to fly a certain number of days each month. It is required, and they do not get paid extra (they already make good money). So, some of them try to pick up 10-12 hour trips. It still counts for their 4 days, and they have to do less work.

The SAP is a great tool at PSA, but it only works well if the schedules are efficient. I usually bid for a line with at least 2 good trips that I would want to fly. Then, I SAP out of the ones that I don't want. I don't mind a 17 hours 4 day if the overnights are good. It is a little vacation.

The other trick is to trade the crappy 4 day trips for a 1 day in the SAP. Then, pick up a good 4 day trip later in FCFS and get payed extra for SDO. Even if you pick up a 17 hour trip, the extra SDO pay makes it worth over 21 hours, even if it does not go critical.

Skyhawk92

Yeah, a guy from my training class that was hired on as a sim instructor about a year and a half ago got pulled from the sims and is on a full flying line this month since sims are so slow. Flew a leg with him the other night. Poor guy.

CLT Guy

I don't feel bad for them.

The instructors were hired outside of a Captain vacancy bid, and thus are technically should not be flying the line as Captains. They upgraded outside of seniority order.

The DEC's were allowed in because the company held an upgrade bid, it went unfilled, and they hired DEC's. But this wasn't true for the sim instructors. The union should fight this, and make the company pay the instructors to sit at home, and upgrade some FO's to fly the open CA lines.

stbloc

So a legacy isn't all that great except the pay. I figured more time off with more credit.

ASpilot2be

Ours are about 20 hours with a $150 worth of per diem.

WMUFlyboy1

Endeavor is all over the board. We have a min day so the lowest you will get is 16 hours. I have had everything from 16 hours to 26 hours on the 200, some 900 trips are closer to 30 hours