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Old 08-17-2016, 06:58 AM
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For the companies that have average trips with 25 hours of credit, does this mean that the average person gets (3) 25 hour trips, and maybe a 2 day?

Does the average pilot really have 17-18 days off every month?
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AWAC is like all the rest it seems. I have seen 15-16 hour 4 day trips and I have seen 26-27 hours. I would say the average is 20. Our average block per duty period is always hovering a little over 5 hours.

My best 4 day got up to about 32 hours after a few weather delays. It was good for credit, but damn that was a long 4 day trip!
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Originally Posted by Gjn290 View Post
Compass. I would say our average four day is 22 hours, but if you're senior there are lots of very high credit trips. I've had a 16 hour two day, a 22 hour three day, and a 28 hour four day.
Dont forget 30-35 hour five days! I even had a 38 hour 5 day last summer. commutable on the back ends usually too. 75-85 hour lines and 15-18 off is what Iv been getting recently. YMMV.
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I'm not sure how that is even possible with 117.

If you had even a small delay, you would have to time out. Seems irresponsible.
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Old 08-17-2016, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Airfix View Post
That would be highly dependent on base. In MSP most of the summer I could barely get 19.5 hours out of a 4 day. June was the worst ever with four 4 days crediting between 18:40 and 19:30. Most of my trips were right around the 4:1 TAFB guarantee.

The good news is most of my trips for August were around 20 hours for a 4 day which are considered good commutable trips in MSP. September is likely to be back down in credit hours.

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MSP is the sore spot at SKW. Most other bases have better trips. Not sure how DTW will shake out.
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I'm not sure how that is even possible with 117.

If you had even a small delay, you would have to time out. Seems irresponsible.
Don't try bashing efficient trips...
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Don't try bashing efficient trips...
I'm not. I just can't imagine an airline creating trips like that. You would have to be right at duty limits to have trips that have that many block hours. If you had even an hour delay somewhere along the way, you would time out. It is irresponsible scheduling, for the airlines and the passengers. Airlines don't typically schedule like that.
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I'm not. I just can't imagine an airline creating trips like that. You would have to be right at duty limits to have trips that have that many block hours. If you had even an hour delay somewhere along the way, you would time out. It is irresponsible scheduling, for the airlines and the passengers. Airlines don't typically schedule like that.
If you had the choice between efficient or inefficient trips which would you choose? Both is not an option. Airlines always respect 117 when scheduling and most use historical block times that account for average delays. I'd rather sit on my butt at home than in the hotel for 20 hours.
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Originally Posted by Mandrake View Post
Airlines always respect 117 when scheduling
Lol.......
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Originally Posted by daOldMan View Post
I'm not. I just can't imagine an airline creating trips like that. You would have to be right at duty limits to have trips that have that many block hours. If you had even an hour delay somewhere along the way, you would time out. It is irresponsible scheduling, for the airlines and the passengers. Airlines don't typically schedule like that.
Maybe flying all short legs sure, you are right. But in the CRJ700/900 and the E175 certain routes have the potential to yield much more. All I can say is I have done numerous trips as follows.
2 flying legs a day, approx 3.5 hour flights, 1-2 deadheads rolled into a 5 day, say 3 hours worth= 38 hours. Each day has HOURS to spare. 117 only becomes an issue after a significant delay that would result in changing of schedule due to duty time limits regardless of it being 3 hours block or 8 a day. It really is possible. I know, because it basically all I do. 38 is rare, most certainly. But I average 30-35 during 5 day trips. Most of them dont have deadheads, and usually are just two legs a day.
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