Nantonaku

My question is will the MRJ fly ever? They can't even get it over here for testing. How many years behind schedule is it?

rickair7777

Not all scopes are the same. They typically limit some combination of seats, MGTOW, and cargo capacity. Also scope allows fewer RJ's at the larger end of the spectrum.

CRJ's for example have essentially zero cargo capacity after pax bags are loaded, but revenue cargo is a significant money-maker for mainline planes. An RJ which could carry cargo would be a scope problem for mainline pilots.

Mitsubishi really screwed up when they designed the MRJ...they just glossed over the scope limits and explained it away as an artificial limitation which could be easily forced over on labor. Not realizing that the pilot groups in the US (the largest regional market by a long shot) are in no mood whatsoever to give up any more scope, and are in a good bargaining position for the foreseeable future. Unless the major managements offer them a REALLY sweat deal. But at some point management will lose interest in heavily incentivizing scope relaxations for regionals which can't even staff the planes they already have.

minimwage4

Not that I want to see more RJs but they can easily fly them if they put a cap on the amount of passengers that it can carry 76 to 80, that's how many it will be if they want first class in there anyways. There's already RJs that have that many seats now. As far as being like 6000 pounds overweight, what's the difference if it's 92 vs 86k if it can only take 76? Maybe an agreement just for the MRJ? If not then I doubt you'll see the MRJ here, there no way mainline will take them in house.

sweetholyjesus

I guess you failed to read the above post regarding cargo capacity.

Riverside

Or did he post it while he was typing? Mind blown eh?

Duesenflieger

The MRJ looks really cool

disillusioned

Maybe in the past. But I think mainline pilots have seen how management will exploit language and outsource as much flying as possible. It seems they also realize the career stagnation that took place at mainline while the regional airlines exploded. As regional airline pilots are hired at Legacy airlines, they will have a broader understanding of how much that initial raise will cost them over their careers.

Yep. With the level of retirements over the next couple years, it appears that a majority of groups are wanting to get a piece of the record breaking profits the airlines are producing. And they don't seem to want to give up QOL for extra money that can be taken away when their is a market hiccup.

Shrek

No. Next question?

Bobman80

If it makes you feel any better our private Delta forum specifically talks about this aircraft and the orders SkyWest and Trans States have. We are fully aware that changing MGTOW would allow this airplane to fly for you guys and my reps assure me that is not going to happen.

As Rick pointed out, this aircraft is prohibited because the MGTOW violates most scope clauses. When Mitsubishi designed this airplane I believe they were counting on scope clauses being modified to allow it at the regionals but considering most majors have contracts that aren't amendable in the near future (except for Delta which we are currently working on) it seems very unlikely.

Unfortunately, it sounds like more 76 seaters is being talked about but only if the company parks all 50 seaters sooner than planned. We all know 50 sweaters are going away anyway so I don't see the point of making that trade...

So, there may be a few more 76 seaters allowed in any TA we get (which I am totally against BTW) but increasing MGTOW to allow the MRJ is not happening.

LostMedic

Why would Mitsubishi be worried about scope. The reality is manufactures are not worried about what goes on in the US alone. Do you really think the E2 is made for scope, or why dear old Canada is making the CS and no more CRJ orders? Get over yourselves, this is a global market. Stop thinking the US market is it. We are saturated with pilots and equipment. Other markets are hurting more for pilots and could care less about scope. So tell me again why the MRJ is screwed because of weight...