Help for a friend please.
 

What are the flow rates to American right now for the wholly owned aag. I'm wondering for a friend who is looking to get into the regionals with somewhat of a checkered past. Or would endeavor or another be a better option.

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With any significant background issues, I would go to a wholly owned AA regional. Any other option would trigger the need to interview and that may not be in favor of your friend in most cases. He can stay put until he "flows" and still apply elsewhere.

I can't wait to see what the average AA pilot looks like in 15-20 years. Really gonna be a sterling member of the profession I'm sure.

Yes im interested too. Drugs? Might have a hard time. Porn star? Hired!

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I was recently one of 5 Envoy applicants; all offered pre-offers but I don't believe all received conditional offers. A week later, while at the drug test another applicant came right from his interview where he was one of 10 applicants. He indicated just 3 where offered pre-offers. All this to say Envoy has a selection process and not all applicants are accepted. Once the pilot flows he/she still is required to pass training at American. I respectfully disagree, American is not going to be a dumping ground for pilots with questionable histories.

There are other regionals that take all applicants, regardless of record and where they end up is a more accurate criticism.

What is the difference between a pre-offer and conditional offer? Do you fill out the pria paperwork during the interview and do they request 141 records. Just curious why so many get weeded out AFTER the interview. And how many pilots out there have some kind of legit criminal record?!

PRIA takes place after the interview/pre-offer.

So you interview and get a pre offer...then they do he pria...and you get a conditional offer? Conditional upon what? How can ant regional afford to hire 30% of interviewees.

Obviously they can rescind the pre-offer if things turn up in your past from PRIA or background checks.

Everything is conditional until your drug test is done.

I start later this month and while my PRIA and background checks are complete, it's still conditional until my drug test is done.

Personally I don't think it's a bad thing that they're turning people away that have skeletons in the closet that aren't reasonably explained.

I may not be technically correct as to what is conditional upon what, but it gives you a fair idea of the process I just went through.

Envoy emails all documents (pria) to be completed before the interview.

After a successful interview, a pre-offer is extended. All documents are collected while there and sent to Capt review board. Once through the review board a conditional offer is extended.

I can't answer the 30% part of your question.

Just to clarify, in my case they sent off my PRIA documents/background checks AFTER my successful interview. I had pre-filled in everything and emailed them to recruiting before my interview.

PRIA/background responses were still arriving back to Envoy AFTER successful CA review board. They can rescind the conditional offer if something comes back from previous employers that can't be easily/reasonably explained.

I will say, PDT is being a little picky right now. I know a guy that was turned down for commercial oral check ride failure.. didn't even get the interview.

Everyone i have flown with at pdt had been a solid professional.. solid.. the new hires seem like people coming from other regionals or the 135 world and are a very high standard.

Same with me.

2-guys from 121, 2-military and 1-135 operator.

You're correct....thank you for the clarification.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...onal/envoy_air

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...l/psa_airlines

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...dmont_airlines

The flow rates you seek are listed in the APC profile for each airline. The numbers vary at each airline due to a number of factors.

Taking straight contractual flow numbers (no outside attrition or growth) Envoy is the fastest flow to AA. PDT will catch up if they can grow and PSA will need to negotiate for more numbers if they want to catch up.

As for standards at the WO, they don't hire all applicants. However, if someone has something on their record that worries them about moving on to mainline, a flow is a really nice insurance policy. Just make sure you are honest about your past and be able to answer questions about it.


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It's all gonna depend on what you mean by these background issues. Misdemeanors or a felony could be a big difference. Regionals are desperate but they're not gonna a hire someone with jail time for drug trafficking on their record. Guys are still being taken out of training for trivial things on their records. Saw it first hand with the class ahead of mine.

I would think drug trafficking, if done in an airplane would be a valuable resume builder. Difficult flying, probaly less than advanced aircraft,. Challenging airfields, usually unimproved, shows ambition. I'd take a guy flying coke in a Aztec over a CFI with 1500 hours doing touch and goes any day

From my understanding, the largest issue that pilots encounter with their backgrounds is not putting it all on the table up front. If it's going to keep you from getting hired, it will for sure get you gone when discovered later. Put it all out there and make sure there's no surprises for the company later down the road. Airlines hire people with a wide variety of background issues. If it seems "minor", let them make that decision.

Ha I'm at Jetblue. I have no desire to work for American. My friend has had a little mishap with faa a few years ago with a 135 carrier. Just going to be honest with them about it in the interview, I'm trying to get him into the 121 world instead of what he was doing. Thanks for the advice. Psa would be nice for the bases (lives close to cvg) but sounding like envoy might be quicker option for flow (he is older so might be a little better).

I believe Piedmont would be his quickest flow time. Envoy and PSA I believe will end up being a bit of a "wash" for anyone hired today. And to be honest, while having a flow in the back pocket is certainly nice, for a new hire today, it shouldn't really be the determining factor for choosing a regional. If I personally were choosing a regional to work for today, I would be looking at:

PSA, Piedmont, or Envoy based on whichever one had a base I lived in or could commute to easily, Endeavor, or SkyWest if I wanted a west coast base. Maybe CommutAir if United is your goal, but that isn't exactly a sure shot either.

Pre-offer comes after the interview. Conditional offer comes after approval by the captain review board on Friday. PRIA/background checks can still be underway at the time of conditional offer. After the conditional offer, you do the drug test. So I don't know how someone went from the interview to drug test, unless he interviewed Friday and got a rush on the board?

You can send your PRIA work back prior to the interview or bring it with you.