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rickair7777 11-24-2016 07:36 PM

ABX Strike
 
ABX is on strike. Don't fly struck work.

Unlikely that regional pilots would even have the opportunity in the case of cargo, but stranger things have happened.

pagey 11-24-2016 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2249472)
ABX is on strike. Don't fly struck work.

Unlikely that regional pilots would even have the opportunity in the case of cargo, but stranger things have happened.

The strike is over.

2 of the 3 status quo items were restored and the third was deemed minor, which will be decided by an arbitrator.

Wink 11-24-2016 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 2249475)
The strike is over.

2 of the 3 status quo items were restored and the third was deemed minor, which will be decided by an arbitrator.

Moreover, I'm curious how you think a regional pilot could have flown "struck work" for ABX? What DHL ops out of CVG or ILM were you expecting one to do?

This sticky would've served a much better purpose if the intent was to get ABX crewmembers a ride home.

Larry in TN 11-25-2016 01:28 AM


Originally Posted by Wink (Post 2249491)
Moreover, I'm curious how you think a regional pilot could have flown "struck work" for ABX? What DHL ops out of CVG or ILM were you expecting one to do?

ILM = Wilmington, NC
ILN = Wilmington, OH

TallFlyer 11-25-2016 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Wink (Post 2249491)
Moreover, I'm curious how you think a regional pilot could have flown "struck work" for ABX? What DHL ops out of CVG or ILM were you expecting one to do?

This sticky would've served a much better purpose if the intent was to get ABX crewmembers a ride home.

There's at least one regional here with a base in CVG. While it's true that freight is a very rare thing, had they suddenly seen a large jump in freight weight on their CLRs I for one would have expected them to go check it for DHL stickers.

CBreezy 11-25-2016 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 2249562)
There's at least one regional here with a base in CVG. While it's true that freight is a very rare thing, had they suddenly seen a large jump in freight weight on their CLRs I for one would have expected them to go check it for DHL stickers.

We don't have any control over what legal cargo gets put on our airplane. I find it absolutely ludicrous to go back and see if there are DHL stickers on cargo on a passenger airplane. If there isn't, should we open the container to make sure there aren't stickers on there too? Maybe we should require the airline provide origin documents. If I were a pilot for a cargo operation and I was given a reroute to go to CVG to pick up boxes, that is a completely different thing.

Furthermore, if my parent company has to pay to ship boxes via FedEx or AA, they are losing that revenue. Isn't that the entire point of a strike, to make the company who is violating the contract to make money feel pain? If Amazon pulled their contract and sent it to FDX, should that pilot group refuse the cargo?

pagey 11-25-2016 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2249564)
We don't have any control over what legal cargo gets put on our airplane. I find it absolutely ludicrous to go back and see if there are DHL stickers on cargo on a passenger airplane. If there isn't, should we open the container to make sure there aren't stickers on there too? Maybe we should require the airline provide origin documents. If I were a pilot for a cargo operation and I was given a reroute to go to CVG to pick up boxes, that is a completely different thing.

Furthermore, if my parent company has to pay to ship boxes via FedEx or AA, they are losing that revenue. Isn't that the entire point of a strike, to make the company who is violating the contract to make money feel pain? If Amazon pulled their contract and sent it to FDX, should that pilot group refuse the cargo?

Agree. Flying the boxes of the customer of a carrier on strike is not scabbing. In fact, I'd wager a bet that the ABX union would want other carriers flying their boxes so that their customer is going elsewhere and ABX loses money on the deal.

Struck work can have many definitions, and those definitions are generally set by the union leadership involved. In this case they did not do that. IMO, if you aren't flying one of their acft, or flying one of your acft on an unscheduled extra section with an ABX call sign and flt number then I'd say you're good.

This of course is all moot because the strike is over.

rickair7777 11-25-2016 07:13 AM

DHL boxes shipped as freight on your scheduled pax revenue flight is not struck work.

Getting called in off reserve at some odd hour to do a supplemental flight with no pax but a lot of weight in the bins might very well cross the line. That kind of thing has happened before, although unlikely for an RJ driver.

pagey 11-25-2016 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2249585)
DHL boxes shipped as freight on your scheduled pax revenue flight is not struck work.

Getting called in off reserve at some odd hour to do a supplemental flight with no pax but a lot of weight in the bins might very well cross the line. That kind of thing has happened before, although unlikely for an RJ driver.

Perhaps. What is the flight number and who is receiving the revenue from the shipped boxes? It could very well be struck work, or it could be your airline mgmt taking advantage of a money making opportunity when an acft would've been idle. Thankfully no one was put in this situation.

TallFlyer 11-25-2016 07:29 AM

I do agree that the definition of "struck work" in this particular case is a very hazy one.

That said, in this day and age of long lenses and social media, is that a risk you want to take?


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