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Old 12-03-2016, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85 View Post
That is correct, my bad and thanks for catching it. If I could update my post, I would. But here it is in a better format on the 7/9:

4th Year FO...1st Year CA
5th Year FO...2st Year CA
6th Year FO...3st Year CA
7th Year FO...4st Year CA
8th Year FO...5st Year CA
OK, I'll bite. How did you catch wind of this?
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Old 12-03-2016, 07:35 PM
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So what you are telling me is the recruiting department is lying about not hiring anyone during that time period.

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ASA hired during that time. I have no idea what ExpressJet did. We started our "merge" in August of 2010, it was the day I came back from furlough.
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Old 12-03-2016, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by No Lies View Post
So what you are telling me is the recruiting department is lying about not hiring anyone during that time period.
Not really a lie. That hiring period they are speaking about is for the ERJ, not the CRJ. As far as recruiting goes, they are unsure of someone is going to the CRJ or ERJ, so they will state a period that they know of on their own side (may be an ERJ pilot who responded as the recruiter).

Originally Posted by ThreeStripe View Post
OK, I'll bite. How did you catch wind of this?
I was told as a volunteer of pilot-2-pilot, in addition it was on the MEC site for a short period of time. So this is a fact, not just a rumor. Waiting for the company response.

The union is meeting with the company on Monday to lay out the framework for a new contract for the CRJ side.
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Old 12-04-2016, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85 View Post
Not really a lie. That hiring period they are speaking about is for the ERJ, not the CRJ. As far as recruiting goes, they are unsure of someone is going to the CRJ or ERJ, so they will state a period that they know of on their own side (may be an ERJ pilot who responded as the recruiter).
Let me post the entire thing. I know the ERJ side is not upgrading and allowing newly-upgraded captains to voluntarily fly as Fos. It sounds like someone is taking the two different sides and trying to cherry pick the best case scenarios out of the two airlines. This sounds very much like a lie and intentionally done to get people to get into the airline, either crj or erj.


We are working on a number of initiatives to improve our upgrade times, and we’ve already made improvements by allowing newly-upgraded captains to voluntarily fly as Fos. That allowed us to upgrade more, supported our operation and allowed new captains to fly more hours in both seats. Even with that, our new hires can expect to upgrade in four years or less. Some of our current pilots are experiencing much longer upgrades, but that won’t continue much longer. We didn’t hire between 2007-2011, during the economic downturn, and so we had a gap in upgrades too.
Also, if what you say is true about the hiring during those years, then the CRJ side will not have a major drop in upgrade time anytime in the future. That would only happen on the ERJ side with the 10 year upgrade dropping down to a 7 year upgrade that the recruiters are talking about.
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Old 12-14-2016, 07:00 AM
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Just doing some rough numbers here after yesterdays Memo from SkyWest Inc:

Expecting to remove 43% of L-ASA fleet in 2017. Therefore, 43% of L-ASA Seniority List could be sent packing:

The potential fallout:

Bottom 43% of L-ASA seniority list (roughly 86% of the three stripers on property) are now "bye bye!"

Top* 14% of First Officers at L-ASA will keep their jobs

Bottom* 43% of Captains at L-ASA will downgrade

Top* 57% of Captains at L-ASA will keep their seat.

* - Assuming a straight 50/50 split on the seniority list between CA and FO. But ASA has a large group of super senior FO's on the company wide seniority list who'll remain in the right seat. This will help "soon to be" super junior CA's keep their left seat.



In case you want to join me in looking back fondly on the promises they've made the last year to naive newbs joining the 121 world:

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Old 12-14-2016, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by AceyCandler View Post
Just doing some rough numbers here after yesterdays Memo from SkyWest Inc:

Expecting to remove 43% of L-ASA fleet in 2017. Therefore, 43% of L-ASA Seniority List could be sent packing:

The potential fallout:

Bottom 43% of L-ASA seniority list (roughly 86% of the three stripers on property) are now "bye bye!"

Top* 14% of First Officers at L-ASA will keep their jobs

Bottom* 43% of Captains at L-ASA will downgrade

Top* 57% of Captains at L-ASA will keep their seat.

* - Assuming a straight 50/50 split on the seniority list between CA and FO. But ASA has a large group of super senior FO's on the company wide seniority list who'll remain in the right seat. This will help "soon to be" super junior CA's keep their left seat.



In case you want to join me in looking back fondly on the promises they've made the last year to naive newbs joining the 121 world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6u2DgNJoUA

"Make the Smart Choice for your future, make ExpressJet your next step."
Your numbers are a little off. It's more like 31% of the pilot group. Take into account attrition, and it will be more like 20%.
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Old 12-14-2016, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85 View Post
Your numbers are a little off. It's more like 31% of the pilot group. Take into account attrition, and it will be more like 20%.
I'm just going off what APC reports: 46 CR2s and 61 stretch RJ's. 46/107 = 43% of fleet "bye bye"

I can only assume total pilot staffing will also drop by 43% as they shift staffing levels for 2018. Hence the numbers posted above. I'd love to know where your 31% came from.

And you're correct, there will be MASSIVE attrition now. But I wouldn't count on it coming from the lifer CA's who occupy the top 28% of the seniority list who'll keep their CA seat when 2018 arrives.
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Old 12-14-2016, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by AceyCandler View Post
Just doing some rough numbers here after yesterdays Memo from SkyWest Inc:

Expecting to remove 43% of L-ASA fleet in 2017. Therefore, 43% of L-ASA Seniority List could be sent packing:

The potential fallout:

Bottom 43% of L-ASA seniority list (roughly 86% of the three stripers on property) are now "bye bye!"

Top* 14% of First Officers at L-ASA will keep their jobs

Bottom* 43% of Captains at L-ASA will downgrade

Top* 57% of Captains at L-ASA will keep their seat.

* - Assuming a straight 50/50 split on the seniority list between CA and FO. But ASA has a large group of super senior FO's on the company wide seniority list who'll remain in the right seat. This will help "soon to be" super junior CA's keep their left seat.



In case you want to join me in looking back fondly on the promises they've made the last year to naive newbs joining the 121 world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6u2DgNJoUA

"Make the Smart Choice for your future, make ExpressJet your next step."
Are you counting the 12 700s going to be operated for AA? I assume they are coming from the endless 700's Skywest has coming off the United side.
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Old 12-14-2016, 07:32 AM
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Bigger problem is L-XJT side is also reducing it's fleet. So question will all newhire classes and interviews, job fairs be canceled..??..
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Old 12-14-2016, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AceyCandler View Post
...I'd love to know where your 31% came from...
I believe WMU's numbers are a little closer to the truth. I've heard that there will be thirty-two CRJ-200's leaving from Delta flying for L-ASA. I haven't checked the APC numbers, but you're more than likely assuming that all of the CRJ-200's listed were flying for Delta. That is inaccurate. Twelve (or thirteen) along with a spare are flying for American. Subtract those from the forty-six number and you get closer to thirty-two.
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