PRIA - regionals
 

Hello all,

I was recently hired by a regional airline and we are going through PRIA paperwork. I had mentioned in my job application that I was employed by a flight school, when i was a low timer, as a contract (1099) pilot to provide discovery flights to potential students but they barely used me since company instructors got the first dibs.

To give a little background, I earned most of my flight hours like from around 350ish in 135 flying (vfr adn then ifr when i hit 1200 hours). Now, the flight school came back to the regional airline saying although i was checked out to provide flights, i did not fly at all officially per their records. The airline PRIA person is saying this is in conflict with what i had mentioned earlier. I don't understand how this is a conflict. they had asked me to provide employment history and i did. i was on standby for the flight school but the fact they didn't use me is not my fault.

The big question is? is this going to hurt my chances of flying with this company. would they recind their conditional offer letter? please, any insights would help me put my mind and family at ease since i've quit my previous job for this one already!

Thanks!!!!!

You worked there. You were employed as a pilot. What's it matter if you didn't fly? I agree, they didn't use you. That doesn't mean you didn't work there.

I wouldn't worry about it. If the regional PRIA "person" doesn't understand what contract/on-call work is, they shouldn't be in that position. You were employed there and available to do work, if needed.

One of the schools I CFI'ed at as a 1099 sent a letter when I was hired at PDT essentially saying they weren't required or inclined to participate in the process at all. They said they kept no records other than my initial checkout on each type of aircraft. This of course was not true, as they had a 141 instrument program, etc.. It didn't matter one bit.

You have a copy of the old 1099? That is enough proof that you worked there.

no i don't have one. like i said they barely used me. may be a couple of times if i can remember right. and those were, i was given a gift card instead of actual payment which at the time was alright cuz it's a $25 gift card vs $12 per hour

You're fine. The regionals will hire a mouth-breathing retard as long as they have a pulse... case in point, myself. As long as your time is documented and legit, you're in. Good luck.

I worked at a small company that is incredibly slow to respond to PRIA requests, even after the airline hiring me reached out numerous times. Eventually the hiring manager just asked me to sign a letter stating that I did in fact work there.

You shouldn't have too much of an issue.

Was this a 141 or a 61 flight school and were you "employed" by them or were you "self employed"?

What does your logbook show? Does your logbook show that you were checked out and than flew registration #s of aircraft "owned" by that flight school?

They have both 61 and 141 programs. I personally trained as part of their 61 program. I have 1 ferry flight logged that I can dig up from my log book. Yes I have company instructors check me out in the logbook for company flying for discovery and ferry flights. The aircrafts were all either owned or leased by the flight school at the time.
Also, I was officially checked out and 1099ed by the flight school. Not my words but theirs

You might be able to obtain previous years 1099 form from the IRS online:

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-...-to-order-them

Also, I would read and understand AC 120-68G which explains what a hiring airline MUST request and what they MAY request and what the old employer MUST and MAY provide.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...AC_120-68G.pdf

Hopefully your logbook matches the company reporting you did no flying for them. If not you may have a issue.

No issues with my logbook. It's all legit!

How far does PRIA go back?
I know a guy who washed out of 121 training and didn't put it down since it was more than 5 years ago; he said they don't check that far back... he got the job he was trying for so either that's true or he was lucky or did some explaining...
I think he put done that he was working at "vandalay industries" or whatever during the time he was actually at the airline training.
Is that risky to do, or if PRIA only goes back so far, is it legit?

Yes.

That's like suggesting murder is a crime only if you get caught.

Are we being trolled?

If you don't have your old 1099 form "uncle sam" has it and that's the official proof that you did work for those guys

Wait, it's still a crime if you don't get caught? I better move to Mexico before the wall goes up...

The flight school confirmed i was checked out. There is no question that i was available. But, they also reported i officially logged 0 hours with them. That is not true. I did one ferry flight for them and was paid in a gift certificate. I told the interviewers pretty much the same. I told them i was barely used and hence moved on to other ventures to help advance my career.
What i dont understand is why the airline is making a big deal out of logging 0 hours as reported by the company. I never claimed I logged many hours with them. My flight hours are primarily from 135 flying with a different company. I have over 2200+ hours and even if they take that ferry flight out of my records, i still have all the hours required! I simply dont understand what they want of me here?!

I'm not condoning "lying" by any means but there is such a thing as too much information is too much information.

If they don't need to know they don't need to know. If I remember correctly you only need to provide names of employers where you were in a drug test program.

Were you drug tested by them for employment purposes ?

Where on earth did you hear this??

Look I never lied in my application. I dont know where you got that idea from. but you are right in that there is such a thing as too much information. This may or may not be one of them. Although i didnt think about drug test program related job info, it'd DoT related job i have held within the past 5 years. Matter of fact, i disclosed all my jobs within that time frame, including regular non-DoT ones I've had, just to be safe. Turns out it may back fire on me. I'm on limbo now since its holiday season and havent heard anymore. I'm slated to start indoc after the first of the year too!

Yes.. call the irs and get your income transcript.

If needed call the local fsdo.. they will remind the flight school of pria and flight instructor record requirements. I'm sure records will be produced rapidly.

I had a sky dive operator that was no longer in operation and therefore had to work around that.

Guys, there would be no 1099 if his annual income in less than $600. A company is under no obligation to send one if so.

from my emails when I was onboarding with OO -

Me asking -
"Good morning, I just wanted to clarify and confirm that PRIA forms are only required for 135 and 121 air carriers ? In other words, you do not want or need me to fill out PRIA forms for part 91 employers ?
Thank you"
Their response -
"You are correct, just the 135 and 121 carriers."

and from the instructions on the 8060-12 form -
"A list of specific drug and alcohol testing records to be furnished through this request is provided in Part I of FAA Form 8060-12. Part I is also used by the hiring air carrier or other person who has employed the individual as a pilot at any time during the 5-year period preceding the date on the employment application:"

Easy tiger - I never called you liar. Please take a deep breath and reread.

When you parse the sentence: it was in reference to my advice that I was giving when I said "I'm not condoning lying" BUT "giving too much information"

In other words, some people I've met in life think that omitting information is the same as lying.

You are very right! thank you. I've stated multiple times, i didnt receive any monetary compensation per se ;)

Hey I understand what you said. I didn't mean to come off aggressive at you. But right now, I feel like the airline is treating me that way. The moment they mentioned, "it's in conflict", i took it to mean I've lied or misconstrued something in some way, shape or form but I've not, in my opinion. I've told them ince the beginning, the flight school, other than training flights, is not a major source of my flight hours.. i was standby etc.. blah blah ;)

No worries, it will all work out to be the way it was meant to be after all honesty is the best policy.

Part 91 Requests: If you are a part 121 or 135 air carrier or a part 125 air operator who is preparing to hire a pilot whose previous experience is only with part 91 operators, you should still send a PRIA records request to these companies for any training or safety-related information that they may have. You should recognize that most part 91 operators do not establish or maintain the pilot records required by PRIA (except part 91K fractional ownerships) and are not required to do so. However, since the definition of “person” includes a part 91 operator, you should still send a PRIA records request and the company should respond to that request. If the company has no information, they should indicate to you that no information is available.

Note: If the pilot you are preparing to hire only worked privately as an individual 14 CFR part 61 flight instructor, there is no need to prepare and send a PRIA records request because there is no company to request records from.

Should.

In any event its up to the hiring employer how they want to comply as it isn't mandatory to use the FAA's forms either.

I couldn't go back and edit my post, was a little tired when I wrote it. The first part was in reference to the -11 form. The -12 applies to any employer that drug tested you in compliance with DOT regs.

End of the day you do whatever the airline asks of you. In the case of OO they didn't want them.