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#1242
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,460
Myself, I enjoy the stockyards in Ft Worth more. Hell, a dinner at Reunion Tower is cooler than South Fork to me.
#1244
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Violin on the Envoy-tanic
Posts: 175
The real problem here is that our sick time is part of our CBA, and part of our compensation package. EVERYTHING that is part of the CBA has a dollar value, and thus was negotiated. The company agreed to give us this sick time as part of our compensation, at a certain rate, and even agreed to let us cash it out if our long term sick reaches a certain value. The fact that they now want to deny us using that sick time is quite frankly a contract violation and an attempted pay cut. Not to mention of course all the studies that show it is far better for corporations to allow sick employees to go home, recuperate faster, and not get fellow employees sick. The PTO system we had for a while was great, because if treated sick and vacation time as the same bank, which is really how it should be. And finally, there is the issue of safety. Safety is supposed to be our number one concern, but the company is pushing pilots to fly sick. Are YOU at the top of your game while hacking, sniffling, your sinuses clogged, and trying to clear your ears? What if you're stressed about personal issues and not concentrating on the task at hand? It goes all the way back to the IMSAFE acronym we learned as private pilots.
Just like their online love affair with Spanier. Neal used one of his many screen names on Eagle Lounge to convince everyone he's being persecuted for having a sinus infection and picking up pizza. Unfortunately the real story is much worse.
If anyone here at Envoy has ever shared a status with Neal, DFW FO or DFW CA then I guarantee you have had to work extra because of him. His history of not working goes back years, and as soon as he was able to punch out on SA it got worse. Much worse. Sinus infection and pizza? Try punching out on FMLA and getting caught playing golf. And working a side business. All while your fellow pilots have to cover the flying you were supposed to be doing. And then when you are caught-twice-you lie about it. Twice.
If anyone here at Envoy has ever shared a status with Neal, DFW FO or DFW CA then I guarantee you have had to work extra because of him. His history of not working goes back years, and as soon as he was able to punch out on SA it got worse. Much worse. Sinus infection and pizza? Try punching out on FMLA and getting caught playing golf. And working a side business. All while your fellow pilots have to cover the flying you were supposed to be doing. And then when you are caught-twice-you lie about it. Twice.
#1246
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 178
#1247
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 178
Sick days
I have rarely missed any days from being sick but some things just hang on more than others.
And by flying when you are not fit, you are violating FARs. A lot of people overlook these things. Sometimes it is not the condition that makes you unfit, it's what you are taking. Antihistamines make you more susceptible to hypoxia. So does having a chest full of crud.
#1248
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
Envoy
I have also had 4-5 sick calls in a rolling 12 month period, and haven't heard anything about it. However, other individuals (that may or may not be on the company's radar, justly or unjustly) have had issues.
The real problem here is that our sick time is part of our CBA, and part of our compensation package. EVERYTHING that is part of the CBA has a dollar value, and thus was negotiated. The company agreed to give us this sick time as part of our compensation, at a certain rate, and even agreed to let us cash it out if our long term sick reaches a certain value. The fact that they now want to deny us using that sick time is quite frankly a contract violation and an attempted pay cut. Not to mention of course all the studies that show it is far better for corporations to allow sick employees to go home, recuperate faster, and not get fellow employees sick. The PTO system we had for a while was great, because if treated sick and vacation time as the same bank, which is really how it should be. And finally, there is the issue of safety. Safety is supposed to be our number one concern, but the company is pushing pilots to fly sick. Are YOU at the top of your game while hacking, sniffling, your sinuses clogged, and trying to clear your ears? What if you're stressed about personal issues and not concentrating on the task at hand? It goes all the way back to the IMSAFE acronym we learned as private pilots.
I'm sorry, but I was under the impression that FMLA was unpaid leave. Am I wrong? If he isn't getting paid (losing money from his guarantee) for those FMLA days, then why the hell should the company care what he does on those days? Let alone the fact that leave is protected by Federal law!!! The "flying that he was supposed to be doing" that was covered by other pilots is NO DIFFERENT than a sick call being normally covered by a reserve; it's how our CBA dictates everyone should be paid, and the company agreed to it, so please spare us the belly-aching on that fact. You guys like to repeat these allegations of wrongdoing against Neal, but I have yet to see any evidence. Talk is cheap.
The real problem here is that our sick time is part of our CBA, and part of our compensation package. EVERYTHING that is part of the CBA has a dollar value, and thus was negotiated. The company agreed to give us this sick time as part of our compensation, at a certain rate, and even agreed to let us cash it out if our long term sick reaches a certain value. The fact that they now want to deny us using that sick time is quite frankly a contract violation and an attempted pay cut. Not to mention of course all the studies that show it is far better for corporations to allow sick employees to go home, recuperate faster, and not get fellow employees sick. The PTO system we had for a while was great, because if treated sick and vacation time as the same bank, which is really how it should be. And finally, there is the issue of safety. Safety is supposed to be our number one concern, but the company is pushing pilots to fly sick. Are YOU at the top of your game while hacking, sniffling, your sinuses clogged, and trying to clear your ears? What if you're stressed about personal issues and not concentrating on the task at hand? It goes all the way back to the IMSAFE acronym we learned as private pilots.
I'm sorry, but I was under the impression that FMLA was unpaid leave. Am I wrong? If he isn't getting paid (losing money from his guarantee) for those FMLA days, then why the hell should the company care what he does on those days? Let alone the fact that leave is protected by Federal law!!! The "flying that he was supposed to be doing" that was covered by other pilots is NO DIFFERENT than a sick call being normally covered by a reserve; it's how our CBA dictates everyone should be paid, and the company agreed to it, so please spare us the belly-aching on that fact. You guys like to repeat these allegations of wrongdoing against Neal, but I have yet to see any evidence. Talk is cheap.
Correct. It is unpaid leave. However the law does allow the employee to elect to use paid leave accrued by the employer if approved and qualifies as an "illness". That is the federal law. Now maybe, just maybe, the corporation should instead get upset with the government and quit harassing the employees?
That's why I sincerely hope NS does get millions in lawsuit settlement. I believe his case is solid unless it gets up to the SCOTUS. Now it becomes a political case and well, you know how Trump is.
FYI for the new Dads. The company will not allow you to use sick time for birth. I've tried, their explanation is because for a birthing you are not considered "sick or ill". They use your vacation time for such an event.
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#1249
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
Envoy
Is that four days in 12 months or four calls? If you call off on a four day trip does that count as one instance or four?
I have rarely missed any days from being sick but some things just hang on more than others.
And by flying when you are not fit, you are violating FARs. A lot of people overlook these things. Sometimes it is not the condition that makes you unfit, it's what you are taking. Antihistamines make you more susceptible to hypoxia. So does having a chest full of crud.
I have rarely missed any days from being sick but some things just hang on more than others.
And by flying when you are not fit, you are violating FARs. A lot of people overlook these things. Sometimes it is not the condition that makes you unfit, it's what you are taking. Antihistamines make you more susceptible to hypoxia. So does having a chest full of crud.
Four sick events.
I believe you are violating FAR 117 if you fly unfit. And yes, drugs can make you dequal as well. It's a two fold hurdle. First, can I fly this aircraft with these symptoms safely? If so, can I fly while using these meds to alleviate the symptoms?
The company has a knack for disagreeing. Rock<---->Hard place.
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#1250
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 344
A sick call is good for 1-6 days per call.
Is that four days in 12 months or four calls? If you call off on a four day trip does that count as one instance or four?
I have rarely missed any days from being sick but some things just hang on more than others.
And by flying when you are not fit, you are violating FARs. A lot of people overlook these things. Sometimes it is not the condition that makes you unfit, it's what you are taking. Antihistamines make you more susceptible to hypoxia. So does having a chest full of crud.
I have rarely missed any days from being sick but some things just hang on more than others.
And by flying when you are not fit, you are violating FARs. A lot of people overlook these things. Sometimes it is not the condition that makes you unfit, it's what you are taking. Antihistamines make you more susceptible to hypoxia. So does having a chest full of crud.
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